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There's no such thing as matter

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posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 03:52 PM
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Matter just doesn't exist and the universe is just a collection of data points that we call matter as a way to describe it to each other but matter has no intrinsic value or nature.

My table and chair isn't made of matter just like my television isn't made of television. The word television has meaning as a description of data points that make up what we call a television. There's no objective quantity called television that we can measure. We can see the color of the TV or measure the size of the TV screen. These are objective data points that make up what we call a TV. A TV could be called a root canal and if we lived on a planet that called TV's root canal's nothing would change. This is because the description of a collection of data points has no intrinsic or objective value.

This is the same with matter.

My cup isn't made of any objective quantity called matter.

I can describe my cup with objective data points like color, size, chemical makeup and down to electrons and protons. There's nothing there that would be an objective quantity called matter. Here's some definitions.


In the classical physics observed in everyday life, matter is any substance that has mass and takes up space by having volume. This includes atoms and anything made up of these, but not other energy phenomena or waves such as light or sound.[1][2] More generally, however, in (modern) physics, matter is not a fundamental concept because a universal definition of it is elusive; for example, the elementary constituents of atoms may be point particles, each having no volume individually.


en.wikipedia.org...

Again, there's nothing objective here. Any substance that has mass and takes up space by having volume but the holographic principle tells us that volume is an illusion.

There's no material substance called matter that has any objective reality. All that's there is a collection of data points that we can perceive in 4D spacetime as objects. None of these objects have an objective quantity called matter.

Here's more:


There are many possible definitions for matter. In science, matter is the term for any type of material. Matter is anything that has mass and takes up space. At a minimum, matter requires at least one subatomic particle, although most matter consists of atoms. The word "matter" is sometimes used to refer to a pure substance.


www.thoughtco.com...

Again, a definition that says nothing. Pure Substance? What substance? There has never been a substance called matter that has been measured. Here's some examples they give of matter.

Proton
Atoms (e.g., a helium atom)
Molecules (e.g., water, sugar)
Compounds (e.g., table salt, silicon dioxide)
Cat
Tree
House
Computer


This clearly shows that materialism is a joke and always has been. There's no materialism because matter has never been measured.

All of things have specific data points and none of these points include any measurable quantity called matter.

Look at a cat.

I can tell you all kind of data points like weight, color, composition of claws and more. These data points are perceived by us as a cat in 4D spacetime but there's ZERO EVIDENCE of any substance or anthing called matter that can be measured.

This shows we're most likely a holographic simulation of information. Here's a recent discovery about the holographic universe.


A UK, Canadian and Italian study has provided what researchers believe is the first observational evidence that our universe could be a vast and complex hologram.

Theoretical physicists and astrophysicists, investigating irregularities in the cosmic microwave background (the 'afterglow' of the Big Bang), have found there is substantial evidence supporting a holographic explanation of the universe—in fact, as much as there is for the traditional explanation of these irregularities using the theory of cosmic inflation.

Professor Kostas Skenderis of Mathematical Sciences at the University of Southampton explains: "Imagine that everything you see, feel and hear in three dimensions (and your perception of time) in fact emanates from a flat two-dimensional field. The idea is similar to that of ordinary holograms where a three-dimensional image is encoded in a two-dimensional surface, such as in the hologram on a credit card. However, this time, the entire universe is encoded."

In recent decades, advances in telescopes and sensing equipment have allowed scientists to detect a vast amount of data hidden in the 'white noise' or microwaves (partly responsible for the random black and white dots you see on an un-tuned TV) left over from the moment the universe was created. Using this information, the team were able to make complex comparisons between networks of features in the data and quantum field theory. They found that some of the simplest quantum field theories could explain nearly all cosmological observations of the early universe.


phys.org...

WOW, JUST WOW!

Vast amounts of data hidden in the white noise of microwaves left over from the moments the universe was created.

To put it simply:

We're a collection of data points that we perceive as "real" objects in a simulated reality.
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posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:00 PM
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a reply to: neoholographic

Yeah. That sounds about right.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:03 PM
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But..

Everything matters!! Wait.

Makes me think of the old song, dust in the wind..

It's a shame most people take everything so seriously these days. It's all just an illusion.. perspective is everything..



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: neoholographic

Try running at a wall and see what happens before postulating there is no such thing as matter.


Vibration is the ticket really but for all intents and purpose matter is very real.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:06 PM
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I definitely do not trust atoms.
They make up everything
Badum



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: dashen

It's what makes up/govern atoms and is below the protons, neutrons, and electrons that really interesting.

Probably Turtles all the way down really.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: Quauhtli
But..

Everything matters!! Wait.

Makes me think of the old song, dust in the wind..

It's a shame most people take everything so seriously these days. It's all just an illusion.. perspective is everything..


Also brings to mind another old song....




posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:09 PM
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Since about 99.999% of atoms are empty space maybe any theory on the existence of matter is valid?




posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:10 PM
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Matter is mostly force fields, and electrons jumping up and down energy states giving off photons all the time. So It's really more sparkle and flash. That grainy vision you have when in a dark room is your retinal cells detecting individual photons.

For the universe to keep track of the position of every photon and sub-atomic particle it needs to store that as information somewhere. Maybe we are all one giant hashlife cellular automata like "golly".
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posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: neoholographic


You know. I have given a lot of thought to this and it does not matter(no pun intended) what we are it does not change the fact that whatever we are or what ever this all is , it is still our reality. If you found out tomorrow we really were a hologram or a simulation would it truly change the way you live? This is still our reality.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: ausername

But is it really empty or have we yet to determine the totality of their composition?

What if said space is occupied by say other dark particles in the same way 95/96% of the universe is comprised of dark energy and matter?



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: norhoc

That's just silly. Of course it matters.

With that type of thinking you might as well throw out all of science.

It doesn't matter if there's gravity waves so why build LIGO AND LISA?

It doesn't matter if microbial life lives on Europa, so why go there?

It doesn't matter if exoplanets exist, so why search for them?

Your statement makes no sense.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: neoholographic


I am not saying science does not matter, I am saying this is the existence we live in so in that sense it does not matter.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: norhoc

Like I said, that makes no sense.

It's the existence we live in and that's why Science studies and does research in all of these areas. Because it matters.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: ausername

Like the old saying goes: "If you don't MIND, it doesn't #ing MATTER."



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:47 PM
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a reply to: norhoc

yeah, what if we put ourselves in this simulated reality for a good reason and we shouldn't be trying to f++k it up by finding out



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:48 PM
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Maybe you should read up on string theory.

Matter and energy are the same thing, Einstein said so and in that case he is right.

Everything is vibration, movement, frequency, pure energy if you will.
The transmission of energy from point A to point B defines matter, and energy, all at once, the information determines if the 4-D point in space is an object or a wave, and at what time it will be there. Physicists have yet to eork that one out, LOL

So, in a certain sense you are right, but it's a little more complicated than that......



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:49 PM
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Find out we are just brains hooked up to a massive computer network



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:51 PM
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originally posted by: ausername
Since about 99.999% of atoms are empty space maybe any theory on the existence of matter is valid?



This is the point. There's no need for anything called matter. Everything can be described by a collection of data points that we perceive as objects in 4D spacetime.

there's no evidence that any objective quantity called matter exists. It has never been measured. All you need is data to describe everything in the universe.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:52 PM
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maybe we might have to go into another simulated reality to safe ourselves one day




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