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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Gryphon66
Not straw man. I am actually being serious because it is something I deal with my son everyday about based on things he hears in school.
I have had to explain the difference between racism, prejudice and pride. They are three things but the media wants you think they are one. Just like this 'stand' they are taking. It is the children who watch the sports I am most concerned. Becuase where you or I may have a level head you know there are millions of kids hearing a biased view and not explaining the real reason. Ignorant whites will say ' niggas at it again' and black people will say 'racist old white dudes trying to be in charge and control us' . DO NOT EVEN TRY to say those are not the narratives in homes across the country and it needs to end but with things like this, sorry, it will not.
Again, it is for oppression of blacks, right? Non-equal treatment? So why so many blacks in sports making millions if they are oppressed. If you want an equal country stop separating it. Our president is not.
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: roadgravel
Again, it is for oppression of blacks, right? Non-equal treatment? So why so many blacks in sports making millions if they are oppressed.
The US is a wealthy country. Why doesn't every citizen have a better life?
Equal opportunity, not equal outcome.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: matafuchs
Standing for the anthem is also specified in the NFL rules.
No it isn't.
The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
...from the NFL Game Operations Manual.
First off, where is your link? Second off, I bolded a few words that you should look up in a dictionary.
The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
LOL, you missed the part where the MUST be on the sideline, so we can say that the players broke the rules regardless of standing.
Um... No I didn't. The players kneeling are still on the sideline aren't they?
As for "should", it's clearly not a suggestion.
Yes. Yes it is. When the ruling uses the word "must" in relation to where they are on the field before it starts then switches to should that means the requirement is different. Any court of law would make swiss cheese of this argument you are attempting. Should and must have very different definitions and both are used throughout the ruling for different things. It is very clear as to what the players are required to do and what they are merely suggested to do.
You stepped in it like Snopes (is that your oracle)... they had to backtrack after claiming there were no rules too, LOL. Took them an hour to shout false and then they crawled back into their shells.
Says the guy who doesn't know what the word "should" means.
Taking a knee will not kill the NFL...greed will.
originally posted by: roadgravel
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: roadgravel
Again, it is for oppression of blacks, right? Non-equal treatment? So why so many blacks in sports making millions if they are oppressed.
The US is a wealthy country. Why doesn't every citizen have a better life?
Equal opportunity, not equal outcome.
I know what you are referring to but,
Someone born with the physical traits for sports is the same as equal opportunity? Not quite that simple in some cases.
originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Gryphon66
I am concerned about children being caught in a cycle of ignorance. You or I may be able to explain and have dialogue but many do not. Many of those are young black kids who see sports as a way out.
I just truly think there are more important things to discuss in the country but at the same time I do not fault our president for addressing it from a patriotic sense. It is who he is. However, there is NO racism here but the media keeps pushing it and pushing it losing the initial reason for the protest.
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: MrPitts
...the other hand I wish he said it in a more intelligent way that made more sense.
You mean with an 8th grade vocabulary instead of a 6th?
originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Gryphon66
What is wrong with being proud of our country instead of ashamed?
originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Gryphon66
I am concerned about children being caught in a cycle of ignorance. You or I may be able to explain and have dialogue but many do not. Many of those are young black kids who see sports as a way out.
I just truly think there are more important things to discuss in the country but at the same time I do not fault our president for addressing it from a patriotic sense. It is who he is. However, there is NO racism here but the media keeps pushing it and pushing it losing the initial reason for the protest.
originally posted by: soberbacchus
originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Gryphon66
What is wrong with being proud of our country instead of ashamed?
Who says those kneeling are not proud of their country?
Their allegiance and pride, however, is not blind.
When their is wounded player on the field, all players kneel in unity.
Trump has spent his time in office preying on the division's in this country, appealing to bigots and racists.
He is a sick, weak, thin-skinned, narcissistic incompetent man and the worst leader this country has ever had.
The President is an infection and has done the precise opposite of unify or heal this countries worsening wounds and division.
originally posted by: angeldoll
originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Gryphon66
I am concerned about children being caught in a cycle of ignorance. You or I may be able to explain and have dialogue but many do not. Many of those are young black kids who see sports as a way out.
I just truly think there are more important things to discuss in the country but at the same time I do not fault our president for addressing it from a patriotic sense. It is who he is. However, there is NO racism here but the media keeps pushing it and pushing it losing the initial reason for the protest.
The truth? The football players are private citizens who can do whatever they want in protest. They are paid a great deal of money for their athletic talents. It's our arena for sporting and entertainment, and Trump needs to STHU
and attend to the governing of this country. What these players do is none of his damned business.
originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Onslaught9966
It's kind of hard to sit back and get lectured about the Freedom of Speech from Progressives who do everything within their power to shut down any form of speech they disagree with........
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: UKTruth
I am aware of the players and teams that did that, but that is a separate issue from the kneeling. The issue started with kneeling. Everyone got bent out of shape over the kneeling. Players didn't start staying in the locker room until Trump said what he said. People NOW are still talking about the kneeling. Your original argument was that players are required to stand. You only moved the goal posts back to the players staying in the locker room after I pointed out the adverbs in the rules that made your argument wrong. Though it sounds like the NFL is standing with the players who stayed in the locker room too. So there's that as well.