Coach teaches some respect for the National Anthem

a reply to: TrueBrit

The left have had no power in the last 30 years? Maybe that's true of the communism you so crave.

You can continue to bloviate on your Che Guevara manifesto all you like - but it's a failed ideology that leads to poverty, crime, and tiny minority of social elites. The people disrespecting the US flag and anthem are just the wannabe commies of today - railing against the most successful and best example in history of how we should structure society. Perfect, no - and less so since leftists started ruining it - but the best example nonetheless.

a reply to: UKTruth

Che Guevara? Communism?

Care to totally misrepresent my position any further?

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Alien Abduct

Thats just it. Many people are suggesting that they do NOT respect the right to protest in the manner dealt with in this thread, even though it does not violate any flag code in any state, or any federal paper or ordinance.

People are saying the fellows ought to be fired from their jobs, or suffer a fine, or some other totally unjustifiable claptrap! I applaud you for having an even hand in the matter, by respecting their rights even though you disagree with their methods, but you appear to be in a slim minority at the moment!

I look at the issue like this....I think people that think they should be fired have a right to their opinion just as the people that applaud them do. It is up the employers of the players to make their decision based on whatever they want weather it be based on personal beliefs, financial, popular opinion or whatever they choose.

I also think that the president voicing his opinion on the matter is just fine. President Trump is a person too and he is entitled to his opinion. It's not like he is pushing for legislation over this matter.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

It does not worry you at all, that your President is recommending unconstitutional treatment of those who protest in this manner?

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Alien Abduct

It does not worry you at all, that your President is recommending unconstitutional treatment of those who protest in this manner?

They don't have a constitutional right to do as they please at work if their employer doesn't approve of it. Imagine if everyone just stopped working whenever they felt like it, however long they felt like it to "protest". They can protest all they want but their employer can fire them for not doing their job.

Like I said it is up to the employers to make the decision of how to handle this situation however they see fit. If I were in the employers shoes I would put a stop to it absolutely. I agree with the OP 100%.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

The employers have largely come out and stated that they support their players.

So that puts Trumps comments in somewhat of a different light.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

Bullsnip. The players protesting in no way affects them 'doing their job'. If your employer decided that he was going to be a 'good Trump patriot' and require everyone to salute the flag every morning and fired your coworker for refusing, he would have his ass sued for violating that worker's Constitutional rights. So says the Supreme Court. If you are a 'true patriot', you respect the laws of the country and the judiciary, not just the symbology. This is a lesson Trump doesn't have the intellectual ability to learn apparently.

originally posted by: jtma508
a reply to: Alien Abduct

Bullsnip. The players protesting in no way affects them 'doing their job'. If your employer decided that he was going to be a 'good Trump patriot' and require everyone to salute the flag every morning and fired your coworker for refusing, he would have his ass sued for violating that worker's Constitutional rights. So says the Supreme Court. If you are a 'true patriot', you respect the laws of the country and the judiciary, not just the symbology. This is a lesson Trump doesn't have the intellectual ability to learn apparently.

If the employer of the players put it in the players contract that they have to stand a certain way for the duration of the national anthem and the players refuse then they can be fired for refusing to do so.

'Doing their job' is whatever their contract stipulates.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Alien Abduct

The employers have largely come out and stated that they support their players.

So that puts Trumps comments in somewhat of a different light.

Trumps comments is Trumps opinion.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

But it is not just his opinion, its a presidential statement.

If he wanted to be able to run his mouth, the Presidency was obviously a bad choice of activity for him.

Don't you OP love the fact you have to fend off people who aren't American? People who don't live here in our country quickly telling YOU & I about OUR country & OUR flag and OUR anthem. Schooling YOU & I on why we should stand or not. I know I love it, seems as if those folks never talk about their countries or their countries problems. And they never create threads based on their countries troubles & woes.....they simply pile on America. Pile on, we can take it, it's called being an American. And when you all in these other countries need help in your next World War, who you gonna call? Yea, that's what I thought. If not for US Americans, most of the world would be driving government issued Volkswagens right now.

Standing to respect those who have fallen to give you the freedom to stand at a damn game and cheer on folks who for the most part make more cash than most watching the games. I turned off Baseball in the early 90's due to the strike that gave them millions. I have never went back, Football I detest, hockey is where my love of sport lies. If they start this crap, I'll tune it right the hell out. Let's go Canes!!

a reply to: openyourmind1262

My goodness! An American being upset that his nation is being criticised from without, despite Americans spending a huge amount of time and money simply KILLING civilians in nations whose leaders they disagree with, lambasting other nations for being "socialist" (despite most Americans having literally no idea what they are talking about in that regard, but commenting anyway)! The hypocrisy literally could not be thicker.

a reply to: Domo1

I'm a veteran and don't care. I didn't swear an oath to a flag or piece of music. Start respecting the constitution Donald Trump. All the rest of this is crap you traitor.

I'm bothered that earlier today I said I wasn't bothered. I am. There is a time and a place to protest, and during the National Anthem is neither. You're disrespecting men and women that DIED for you. That FOUGHT for you. People of all races, and all creeds, and they put it all on the line for you to have the right to be a disrespectful jackass.

No.. that is -your- perception. That is not the perception of those protesting. They obviously are not purposely trying to disrespect the flag or the anthem. I would gather that most if not all highly respect the service people and what this country actually stands for. Which is why they protest - because they can. Because that is the point of it all. Do you think foreigners want to move here because they want to stand and sing our anthem? No... many want to move here because if they so choose, they don't have to.. and won't be punished for it.

The day punishments are given for not standing or saluting a flag will be a dark day in this country.

This is hardly the first time this has happened, either. In the 1968 Olympics, black athletes stood with black gloves on holding their fists in the air.. for an almost identical reason that they protest today. Because they could.. without being persecuted.

I served in the military for years - I don't feel any of those athletes are trying to disrespect my service in the Army. I respect -their- decision to take advantage of the benefits of living in this country. Ironically I don't agree with it.. in that I stand, and always would - and I also think there are probably other ways (perhaps not better, but other ways) to get results. But I 100% support their right to do so.

Want someone to blame? Blame their employer. They could have put an end to all this early, but chose not to.

originally posted by: Ddrneville
Yeah, great country... denies most of it's people basic social needs, provides generous student loans and have one of the highest imprisonment rates on this planet.

But hey, you may carry a gun.

I would crawl under that chair....

that's what you get under a DNC government.

I find it interesting that the national anthems tune was borrowed from a drinking song and the tune was briefly used as the national anthem of luxembourg.





To Anacreon in Heav'n, where he sat in full Glee,
A few Sons of Harmony sent a Petition,
That he their Inspirer and Patron would be;
When this answer arriv'd from the Jolly Old Grecian
"Voice, Fiddle, and Flute,
"no longer be mute,
"I'll lend you my Name and inspire you to boot,
"And, besides I'll instruct you, like me, to intwine
"The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."
2
The news through Olympus immediately flew;
When Old Thunder pretended to give himself Airs.
"If these Mortals are suffer'd their Scheme to persue,
"The Devil a Goddess will stay above Stairs.
"Hark! already they cry,
"In transports of Joy,
"Away to the Sons of Anacreon we'll fly,[31]
"And there, with good Fellows, we'll learn to intwine
"The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine.
3
"The Yellow-Hair'd God and his nine fusty Maids,
"From Helicon's banks will incontinent flee,[32]
"Idalia will boast but of tenantless Shades,
"And the bi-forked Hill a mere Desart will be
"My Thunder no fear on't,
"Shall soon do it's Errand,
"And dam'me! I'll swinge the Ringleaders, I warrant.
"I'll trim the young Dogs, for thus daring to twine
"The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."
4
Apollo rose up, and said, "Pry'thee ne'er quarrel,
"Good King of the Gods, with my Vot'ries below:
"Your Thunder is useless"—then shewing his Laurel,
Cry'd "Sic evitabile fulmen,[33] you know!
"Then over each head
"My Laurels I'll spread;
"So my Sons from your Crackers no Mischief shall dread,
"Whilst snug in their Club-Room, they jovially twine
"The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."
5
Next Momus got up with his risible Phiz,
And swore with Apollo he'd chearfully join—
"The full Tide of Harmony still shall be his,
"But the Song, and the Catch, and the Laugh shall be mine.
"Then, Jove, be not jealous
"Of these honest fellows."
Cry'd Jove, "We relent, since the Truth you now tell us;
"And swear by Old Styx, that they long shall intwine
"The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."
6
Ye Sons of Anacreon, then join Hand in Hand;
Preserve Unanimity, Friendship, and Love!
'Tis your's to support what's so happily plann'd;
You've the sanction of Gods, and the Fiat of Jove.
While thus we agree,
Our Toast let it be.
May our Club flourish happy, united, and free!
And long may the Sons of Anacreon intwine
The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Domo1

If you have a problem with these kneeling protests, then you have no idea what the flag you covet is supposed to stand for, nor what the blood you falsely claim to wish to honour, was actually shed for.

Really? Coming from a Brit with limited free speech this is rich. It's utter BS too...

These tools have every right to disrespect the dead. Just like I, the OP, and millions of Americans have every right to be furious with the actions of a few ignorant jack asses who see oppression and injustice where there is none. Then decided to make a mockery of what it truely means to be part of a team, a nation, a people united under a common thread. They can protest during their off time. They are payed to be athletes not protesters.

If these over payed kiddie game players want to stand up for an injustice in America they should stand up against the destruction of the nuclear family and the positive male role model. That is after all where most of the problems they see as injustice stems from. Not from a racist judicial system.

Sure America isn't perfect. But we got it better than most. Especially these athletes...

If we're going to force people to stand and sing to our flag, then we might as well paint it red and dawn it with a hammer and sickle.

Y'all know I'm down. Let's get this tyranny started!

originally posted by: 4003fireglo
Are the players protesting racism and police brutality? I ask because no one is talking about the reason why, which is a pretty decent indication the protest failed. Now they have to try something else again, and the next method of protest may be more controversial than this.

I have been wondering myself.

a reply to: Domo1

Beautiful