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Kneeling during the anthem is honoring what our founding fathers fought for

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posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: Onslaught9966


This is exactly what I mentioned to him:


TV ratings are down an astonishing 40 percent among teenagers and younger twentysomethings, who are critical to sports viewership.




posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Onslaught9966


This is exactly what I mentioned to him:


TV ratings are down an astonishing 40 percent among teenagers and younger twentysomethings, who are critical to sports viewership.


I also gave him links that show this was happening way before the protests.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
I have a question for those who are so upset by the actions of these players taking a knee during the National Anthem.

When you are in your home, watching the game on TV or internet, do you stand up and place your hand over your heart during the National Anthem?

Now, please, don't answer here. Answer honestly, for yourself, and then see how upset you still are at the players.


The US Flag Code stipulates:

§171. Conduct during playing

During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: Onslaught9966
I also gave him links that show this was happening way before the protests.


The protests may be exacerbating the ratings decline but football has some serious foundational issues it refuses to address besides anthems and kneeling.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Gryphon66
I have a question for those who are so upset by the actions of these players taking a knee during the National Anthem.

When you are in your home, watching the game on TV or internet, do you stand up and place your hand over your heart during the National Anthem?

Now, please, don't answer here. Answer honestly, for yourself, and then see how upset you still are at the players.


The US Flag Code stipulates:

§171. Conduct during playing

During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart.



Link please. I'd like to see that draconian code for myself.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Gryphon66
I have a question for those who are so upset by the actions of these players taking a knee during the National Anthem.

When you are in your home, watching the game on TV or internet, do you stand up and place your hand over your heart during the National Anthem?

Now, please, don't answer here. Answer honestly, for yourself, and then see how upset you still are at the players.


The US Flag Code stipulates:

§171. Conduct during playing

During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart.



Yep there it is again that pesky little word...SHOULD. It states SHOULD (giving them an option) and does not state has to or else.
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posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

Well the National Anthem is not the Pledge of Allegiance, and every country which engages in competitive sports and Olympics has a national anthem. The Pkedge of Allegiance was written originally by a socialist and then had the words Under God added later. Also American players are kneeling for our anthem in games abroad while standing for foreign country's anthem. I find that disgraceful.
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posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

The same portion of law denotes the rose as our nation flower emblem and the oak as our national tree.

/shrug



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

SO you don't stand and honor the Anthem in your home?

You are certainly virtually present.

Besides ... are you honoring our flag or obeying the law?


edit on 25-9-2017 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Cool. What's it say about using the flag for clothing?
ultimateclassicrock.com...


(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.




(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.


edit on 9/25/2017 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Reminds me of the quote

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:56 PM
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It’s a tribute to the NFL’s ability to drape itself in the flag that nobody even realizes that – prior to 2009 – players being on the field for the national anthem wasn’t even standard practice.

Regardless of where one stands RE: Colin Kaepernick deciding to sit out the “Star-Spangled Banner” one shouldn’t be misled into thinking this is a longstanding tradition Kaepernick is sitting out.
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NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy confirmed this morning the practice began in 2009, adding, "As you know, the NFL has a long tradition of patriotism. Players are encouraged but not required to stand for the anthem.

www.csnne.com...



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Hazardous1408

Well the National Anthem is not the Pledge of Allegiance, and every country which engages in competitive sports and Olympics has a national anthem. The Pledge of Allegiance was written originally by a socialist and then had the words Under God added later. Also American players are kneeling for our anthem in games abroad while standing for foreign country's anthem. I find that disgraceful.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

It's literally part of the nonviolent resistance theory to make it uncomfortable for the masses who are content with an oppressive society. Here is an excerpt from Dr MLK's "url=https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html]Letter From a Birmingham Jail[/url]" in reference to the constant protests, demonstrations, and sit-ins in Birmingham at the time. And this was a mere 4 months or so before his famous "I Have A Dream Speech":


You deplore the demonstrations taking place in Birmingham. But your statement, I am sorry to say, fails to express a similar concern for the conditions that brought about the demonstrations. I am sure that none of you would want to rest content with the superficial kind of social analysis that deals merely with effects and does not grapple with underlying causes. It is unfortunate that demonstrations are taking place in Birmingham, but it is even more unfortunate that the city's white power structure left the Negro community with no alternative.

In any nonviolent campaign there are four basic steps: collection of the facts to determine whether injustices exist; negotiation; self purification; and direct action. We have gone through all these steps in Birmingham. There can be no gainsaying the fact that racial injustice engulfs this community. Birmingham is probably the most thoroughly segregated city in the United States. Its ugly record of brutality is widely known. Negroes have experienced grossly unjust treatment in the courts. There have been more unsolved bombings of Negro homes and churches in Birmingham than in any other city in the nation. These are the hard, brutal facts of the case. On the basis of these conditions, Negro leaders sought to negotiate with the city fathers. But the latter consistently refused to engage in good faith negotiation.

It's quite telling that the party of Lincoln that also loves to claim MLK as one of their own has forgotten this. And if anything, I think that kneeling for the anthem is one of the least disruptive things these players can do. Just imagine if they started supporting armed "2nd Amendment Rights" protests like some on the right wing have done. Yikes!
edit on 25-9-2017 by enlightenedservant because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:59 PM
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No problem ...
I DON'T.
I happen to be able to tell WHAT a social attack looks like,F#CKING ,Marxist ,hippies are running rampant,I couldn't care LESS what others who don't see it say ,THEY AIN'T RECON and THEY aren't at war with P.C. like me.
So THANKS for your help but I don't share your apathy.
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posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Gryphon66
I have a question for those who are so upset by the actions of these players taking a knee during the National Anthem.

When you are in your home, watching the game on TV or internet, do you stand up and place your hand over your heart during the National Anthem?

Now, please, don't answer here. Answer honestly, for yourself, and then see how upset you still are at the players.


The US Flag Code stipulates:

§171. Conduct during playing

During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart.



Link please. I'd like to see that draconian code for myself.


The regulated requirement was removed for the 2017 edition of the rules.

Besides, it's arguable the NFL could ever enforce such a policy, anyway, in states like California which prohibit discrimination based on political activities:




CHAPTER 5. Political Affiliations [1101 - 1106] ( Chapter 5 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. )

1101.
No employer shall make, adopt, or enforce any rule, regulation, or policy:

(a) Forbidding or preventing employees from engaging or participating in politics or from becoming candidates for public office.

(b) Controlling or directing, or tending to control or direct the political activities or affiliations of employees.


Link

In fact, the policy/rule is unlawful, period, in California. I think there is another state (or two) where it would also be unlawful to have such policies/rules.



edit on 9/25/2017 by MotherMayEye because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 04:01 PM
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Seems the military decided to use the NFL for recruiting. THhs is the year the policy of the teams being on the sideline for the anthem began.


According to a report from Christopher Baxter and Jonathan Salant of NJ.com, the Department of Defense has paid 14 different NFL teams a total of $5.4 million over the last four years in exchange for patriotic displays at games.

Per NJ.com's report, "U.S. Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz) last week called out the New Jersey Army National Guard for the spending, which, in part, paid for a segment at Jets home games in which soldiers were featured on the big screen, thanked for their service and given tickets to the game."

The National Guard responded by asserting that it was a useful recruitment tool.

www.cbssports.com...



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 04:10 PM
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Lol,

Have you been paying attention to the steady drop?

Let me guess you don't watch football?

Did the rams just move location?

How about the 49ers how have they been doing? What is their record over the last 4 years?
edit on 25-9-2017 by luthier because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 04:13 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: luthier
PS Dave Meggot was short.


So was Phil McConkey, but he has a Super Bowl ring.


Let me guess you have giants symbols in your home...your a dang supremacist.

Yes the truth hurts.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t



Kneeling during the anthem is honoring what our founding fathers fought for


As is boycotting NFL games, merchandise and broadcasts.

This is how we are free to disagree in America.



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