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Trump NFL Anthem Free Speech Protest and Willful Ignorance

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posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:20 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1
f I ever went to another countrys sporting event and they played their national anthem and I didnt stand up for it that would be disrespectful would it not?

Still a valid question

Disrespecting them would solely depend on their perception of disrespect & expectations in the first place. It's a highly subjective notion, and your question is thus in a gray area.




posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:22 AM
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originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: TerryMcGuire you come off as a whiny liberal kid,the ones that live in mom's basement always come up with answers that make little to no sense,it's so cool to be a rebel,and add to your gaming cred





Sorry that I have failed in presenting a valid economic and political view. Just what was it about that post that made no sense to you that you had to resort to tossing alllusions. Maybe we can discuss that rather than our relative ages oldtimer.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:22 AM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1
f I ever went to another countrys sporting event and they played their national anthem and I didnt stand up for it that would be disrespectful would it not?

Still a valid question

Disrespecting them would solely depend on their perception of disrespect & expectations in the first place. It's a highly subjective notion, and your question is thus in a gray area.


In other words.. YES I just dont want to admit it LMAO.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:23 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Lucidparadox

originally posted by: notsure1
a reply to: Lucidparadox

to you it is just a piece of fabric. To me it is alot more. Just curious how old you are?


I am almost 29


Did you have to pledge allegiance in school? Im not sure when that stopped. Im 46 BTW.


I did.. up until 5th grade. Once you get into JR. high they don't have you do that every morning anymore. At least not when I was in school. It was in K-5 you do the pledge every day



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:25 AM
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originally posted by: Lucidparadox

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Lucidparadox

originally posted by: notsure1
a reply to: Lucidparadox

to you it is just a piece of fabric. To me it is alot more. Just curious how old you are?


I am almost 29


Did you have to pledge allegiance in school? Im not sure when that stopped. Im 46 BTW.


I did.. up until 5th grade. Once you get into JR. high they don't have you do that every morning anymore. At least not when I was in school. It was in K-5 you do the pledge every day


We did up through high school and my 26 year old son never had to do it. I believe that is why my generation holds it dear?

How does your dad feel about all this?
edit on 25-9-2017 by notsure1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:33 AM
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To anyone that says it is not disrespectful, why do we even stand for the anthem and salute the flag at all?

If it wasnt considered disrespectful our beer drinking, hot dog eating fat asses would never stand up for it.

We stand out of respect right??



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:35 AM
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a reply to: notsure1



originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Lucidparadox

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Lucidparadox

originally posted by: notsure1
a reply to: Lucidparadox

to you it is just a piece of fabric. To me it is alot more. Just curious how old you are?


I am almost 29


Did you have to pledge allegiance in school? Im not sure when that stopped. Im 46 BTW.


I did.. up until 5th grade. Once you get into JR. high they don't have you do that every morning anymore. At least not when I was in school. It was in K-5 you do the pledge every day


We did up through high school and my 26 year old son never had to do it. I believe that is why my generation holds it dear?

How does your dad feel about all this?


My dad was in prison his whole life and he is currently homeless, trying make ends meet and stay alive day by day.

I was in the Army in my early twenties. I can't say my thought process was popular, but I wasn't alone, of course in the military you have no choice but to toe the line.

I was in a Catholic grade school and middle school.. and a Catholic high school growing up. So I'm not sure my background is the norm.

I also grew up in a bad area.

But yes, to answer your question again kindergarten through 5th grade at 8am every day we looked out the window or to the corner of our room with a flag and did the pledge every day.

My mom and the rest of my family? To be honest I don't really think they have an opinion.

The flag was never a major staple of discussion.

Then again.. my mom had me young, she was 18 so her interests and values at the time were elsewhere



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:44 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1
f I ever went to another countrys sporting event and they played their national anthem and I didnt stand up for it that would be disrespectful would it not?

Still a valid question

Disrespecting them would solely depend on their perception of disrespect & expectations in the first place. It's a highly subjective notion, and your question is thus in a gray area.


In other words.. YES I just dont want to admit it LMAO.

I was pretty clear, it's subjective. How the hell does that translate to a 'yes' in your head?? You are really reaching wildly to back yourself up.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:47 AM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1
f I ever went to another countrys sporting event and they played their national anthem and I didnt stand up for it that would be disrespectful would it not?

Still a valid question

Disrespecting them would solely depend on their perception of disrespect & expectations in the first place. It's a highly subjective notion, and your question is thus in a gray area.


In other words.. YES I just dont want to admit it LMAO.

I was pretty clear, it's subjective. How the hell does that translate to a 'yes' in your head?? You are really reaching wildly to back yourself up.


Am i? Why does anyone stand at all for the anthem? is that to subjective too ? Bet I dont get an answer.
edit on 25-9-2017 by notsure1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:49 AM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1
f I ever went to another countrys sporting event and they played their national anthem and I didnt stand up for it that would be disrespectful would it not?

Still a valid question

Disrespecting them would solely depend on their perception of disrespect & expectations in the first place. It's a highly subjective notion, and your question is thus in a gray area.


In other words.. YES I just dont want to admit it LMAO.

I was pretty clear, it's subjective. How the hell does that translate to a 'yes' in your head?? You are really reaching wildly to back yourself up.


And lol What the hell is subjective about it?



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:56 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1
f I ever went to another countrys sporting event and they played their national anthem and I didnt stand up for it that would be disrespectful would it not?

Still a valid question

Disrespecting them would solely depend on their perception of disrespect & expectations in the first place. It's a highly subjective notion, and your question is thus in a gray area.


In other words.. YES I just dont want to admit it LMAO.

I was pretty clear, it's subjective. How the hell does that translate to a 'yes' in your head?? You are really reaching wildly to back yourself up.


Am i? Why does anyone stand at all for the anthem? is that to subjective too ? Bet I dont get an answer.




And lol What the hell is subjective about it?


Good lord, if you're going to try to be a smartass, at least make sure you understand the word you're arguing about.




subjective

adjective us ​ /səbˈdʒek·tɪv/

influenced by or based on personal beliefs or feelings, rather than based on facts:
Whether something is objectionable is a subjective question.


dictionary.cambridge.org...

Reasons for or not for standing for the flag, reciting the pledge are subjective. I.E, dependent on the personal views of the individual who is offended or not offended.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:57 AM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1
f I ever went to another countrys sporting event and they played their national anthem and I didnt stand up for it that would be disrespectful would it not?

Still a valid question

Disrespecting them would solely depend on their perception of disrespect & expectations in the first place. It's a highly subjective notion, and your question is thus in a gray area.


In other words.. YES I just dont want to admit it LMAO.

I was pretty clear, it's subjective. How the hell does that translate to a 'yes' in your head?? You are really reaching wildly to back yourself up.


So uh why do we stand for the anthem at all? cant figure out a way to answer that without exposing the retarded stance that it is not disrespectful huh?



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:58 AM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1
f I ever went to another countrys sporting event and they played their national anthem and I didnt stand up for it that would be disrespectful would it not?

Still a valid question

Disrespecting them would solely depend on their perception of disrespect & expectations in the first place. It's a highly subjective notion, and your question is thus in a gray area.


In other words.. YES I just dont want to admit it LMAO.

I was pretty clear, it's subjective. How the hell does that translate to a 'yes' in your head?? You are really reaching wildly to back yourself up.


Am i? Why does anyone stand at all for the anthem? is that to subjective too ? Bet I dont get an answer.




And lol What the hell is subjective about it?


Good lord, if you're going to try to be a smartass, at least make sure you understand the word you're arguing about.




subjective

adjective us ​ /səbˈdʒek·tɪv/

influenced by or based on personal beliefs or feelings, rather than based on facts:
Whether something is objectionable is a subjective question.


dictionary.cambridge.org...

Reasons for or not for standing for the flag, reciting the pledge are subjective. I.E, dependent on the personal views of the individual who is offended or not offended.


Wow.. ITs to subjective to answer lmao.... Deflect and insult because I am so wrong



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:58 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1
f I ever went to another countrys sporting event and they played their national anthem and I didnt stand up for it that would be disrespectful would it not?

Still a valid question

Disrespecting them would solely depend on their perception of disrespect & expectations in the first place. It's a highly subjective notion, and your question is thus in a gray area.


In other words.. YES I just dont want to admit it LMAO.

I was pretty clear, it's subjective. How the hell does that translate to a 'yes' in your head?? You are really reaching wildly to back yourself up.


So uh why do we stand for the anthem at all? cant figure out a way to answer that without exposing the retarded stance that it is not disrespectful huh?

Look above your own post.

I do not stand for the anthem. YOU do, so why do you? Answer your own question, and you answer just for you. Not anyone else.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 04:00 AM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1
f I ever went to another countrys sporting event and they played their national anthem and I didnt stand up for it that would be disrespectful would it not?

Still a valid question

Disrespecting them would solely depend on their perception of disrespect & expectations in the first place. It's a highly subjective notion, and your question is thus in a gray area.


In other words.. YES I just dont want to admit it LMAO.

I was pretty clear, it's subjective. How the hell does that translate to a 'yes' in your head?? You are really reaching wildly to back yourself up.


Am i? Why does anyone stand at all for the anthem? is that to subjective too ? Bet I dont get an answer.




And lol What the hell is subjective about it?


Good lord, if you're going to try to be a smartass, at least make sure you understand the word you're arguing about.




subjective

adjective us ​ /səbˈdʒek·tɪv/

influenced by or based on personal beliefs or feelings, rather than based on facts:
Whether something is objectionable is a subjective question.


dictionary.cambridge.org...

Reasons for or not for standing for the flag, reciting the pledge are subjective. I.E, dependent on the personal views of the individual who is offended or not offended.


OK fine. Would you go to a sporting event in Canada and stand for their anthem? And why would you do that?



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 04:01 AM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1
f I ever went to another countrys sporting event and they played their national anthem and I didnt stand up for it that would be disrespectful would it not?

Still a valid question

Disrespecting them would solely depend on their perception of disrespect & expectations in the first place. It's a highly subjective notion, and your question is thus in a gray area.


In other words.. YES I just dont want to admit it LMAO.

I was pretty clear, it's subjective. How the hell does that translate to a 'yes' in your head?? You are really reaching wildly to back yourself up.


So uh why do we stand for the anthem at all? cant figure out a way to answer that without exposing the retarded stance that it is not disrespectful huh?

Look above your own post.

I do not stand for the anthem. YOU do, so why do you? Answer your own question, and you answer just for you. Not anyone else.


I stand for it out of respect and you dont because you dont respect it. You children are fun but Im going to bed.
edit on 25-9-2017 by notsure1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 04:04 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1
f I ever went to another countrys sporting event and they played their national anthem and I didnt stand up for it that would be disrespectful would it not?

Still a valid question

Disrespecting them would solely depend on their perception of disrespect & expectations in the first place. It's a highly subjective notion, and your question is thus in a gray area.


In other words.. YES I just dont want to admit it LMAO.

I was pretty clear, it's subjective. How the hell does that translate to a 'yes' in your head?? You are really reaching wildly to back yourself up.


Am i? Why does anyone stand at all for the anthem? is that to subjective too ? Bet I dont get an answer.




And lol What the hell is subjective about it?


Good lord, if you're going to try to be a smartass, at least make sure you understand the word you're arguing about.




subjective

adjective us ​ /səbˈdʒek·tɪv/

influenced by or based on personal beliefs or feelings, rather than based on facts:
Whether something is objectionable is a subjective question.


dictionary.cambridge.org...

Reasons for or not for standing for the flag, reciting the pledge are subjective. I.E, dependent on the personal views of the individual who is offended or not offended.


OK fine. Would you go to a sporting event in Canada and stand for their anthem? And why would you do that?

Having been to many US hockey games and not stood with MANY others doing the same, and paid attention to the stands in Canadian home game broadcasts and seen the same there, likely not. It doesn't seem to be offensive to sit it out up there.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 04:09 AM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1
f I ever went to another countrys sporting event and they played their national anthem and I didnt stand up for it that would be disrespectful would it not?

Still a valid question

Disrespecting them would solely depend on their perception of disrespect & expectations in the first place. It's a highly subjective notion, and your question is thus in a gray area.


In other words.. YES I just dont want to admit it LMAO.

I was pretty clear, it's subjective. How the hell does that translate to a 'yes' in your head?? You are really reaching wildly to back yourself up.


Am i? Why does anyone stand at all for the anthem? is that to subjective too ? Bet I dont get an answer.




And lol What the hell is subjective about it?


Good lord, if you're going to try to be a smartass, at least make sure you understand the word you're arguing about.




subjective

adjective us ​ /səbˈdʒek·tɪv/

influenced by or based on personal beliefs or feelings, rather than based on facts:
Whether something is objectionable is a subjective question.


dictionary.cambridge.org...

Reasons for or not for standing for the flag, reciting the pledge are subjective. I.E, dependent on the personal views of the individual who is offended or not offended.


OK fine. Would you go to a sporting event in Canada and stand for their anthem? And why would you do that?

Having been to many US hockey games and not stood with MANY others doing the same, and paid attention to the stands in Canadian home game broadcasts and seen the same there, likely not. It doesn't seem to be offensive to sit it out up there.


calling any kanucks. If an American comes to your town and doesnt stand for your anthem is that disrespectful?



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 04:09 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1
f I ever went to another countrys sporting event and they played their national anthem and I didnt stand up for it that would be disrespectful would it not?

Still a valid question

Disrespecting them would solely depend on their perception of disrespect & expectations in the first place. It's a highly subjective notion, and your question is thus in a gray area.


In other words.. YES I just dont want to admit it LMAO.

I was pretty clear, it's subjective. How the hell does that translate to a 'yes' in your head?? You are really reaching wildly to back yourself up.


So uh why do we stand for the anthem at all? cant figure out a way to answer that without exposing the retarded stance that it is not disrespectful huh?

Look above your own post.

I do not stand for the anthem. YOU do, so why do you? Answer your own question, and you answer just for you. Not anyone else.


I stand for it out of respect and you dont because you dont respect it. You children are fun but Im going to bed.

How does one's posture position influence or determine respect? It would stand to reason that influencing and determining respect is more directly related to well, respectful quietness during something requiring such attention.

I can respect something by not being a loudmouth about it, while sitting on my duff. Letting others do their thing their way without impeding them is doing exactly that. Are you insinuating you can't swing respect unless you're on your feet?



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 04:14 AM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: notsure1
f I ever went to another countrys sporting event and they played their national anthem and I didnt stand up for it that would be disrespectful would it not?

Still a valid question

Disrespecting them would solely depend on their perception of disrespect & expectations in the first place. It's a highly subjective notion, and your question is thus in a gray area.


In other words.. YES I just dont want to admit it LMAO.

I was pretty clear, it's subjective. How the hell does that translate to a 'yes' in your head?? You are really reaching wildly to back yourself up.


Am i? Why does anyone stand at all for the anthem? is that to subjective too ? Bet I dont get an answer.




And lol What the hell is subjective about it?


Good lord, if you're going to try to be a smartass, at least make sure you understand the word you're arguing about.




subjective

adjective us ​ /səbˈdʒek·tɪv/

influenced by or based on personal beliefs or feelings, rather than based on facts:
Whether something is objectionable is a subjective question.


dictionary.cambridge.org...

Reasons for or not for standing for the flag, reciting the pledge are subjective. I.E, dependent on the personal views of the individual who is offended or not offended.


OK fine. Would you go to a sporting event in Canada and stand for their anthem? And why would you do that?

Having been to many US hockey games and not stood with MANY others doing the same, and paid attention to the stands in Canadian home game broadcasts and seen the same there, likely not. It doesn't seem to be offensive to sit it out up there.


ok pay real close attention LMAO looks like alot of people sitting lmao There is alot of these on youtube I challenge you to find one with lots of people sitting.




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