It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

You claim to want change, but you can't even turn off a football game?

page: 1
21
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:23 AM
link   
I'm someone who enjoys watching football, but with the cowardly stance that the NFL has taken allowing a platform for an anti-American, self hatred cultural change, I will temporarily and completely refrain from "anything" football until they get back to their senses. This to me is an easy decision, as no game compares to the respect that I have for the America I love and grew up with, and no athlete's talent is so great that I will overlook the message he is allowed to send on one of the greatest platforms in American society.. that platform being the one provided by professional sports.

It is incredibly disheartening to me to see even very patriotic and conservative people that I know, not even blink twice about their watching habits in the face of this controversy. I truly do believe that the vast majority of Americans, even so-called patriotic Americans, have been lulled to apathy by entertainment and comfort. If you can't even turn off a football game then how do you expect to send any meaningful message that will spur change?

To my liberal minded friends, I see you as Americans too and don't have an ounce of hate in my heart for anyone. To me this is not about hating anyone but creating the best America for future generations. Our country is divided on the vision we want for our country but when we are not trying to take over the steering wheel of where this country is going, we still have a lot in common. I have my insights into why I feel that the direction the liberal agenda wants to steer us down will lead to a long-term cultural suicide and severe weakening of our country.. But that's for another post.




posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:26 AM
link   
I expect the nfl to lose millions if not billions over this misguided idiocy.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:28 AM
link   
I have not watched an NFL game in my home over 3 years since I got rid of satellite. I get one channel right now and they do not have NFL games (ABC). And you know what, I don't really miss it even though I used to watch every week.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:32 AM
link   

edit on 25-9-2017 by Kromlech because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:34 AM
link   

originally posted by: Galacticsun
I'm someone who enjoys watching football, but with the cowardly stance that the NFL has taken allowing a platform for an anti-American, self hatred cultural change, I will temporarily and completely refrain from "anything" football until they get back to their senses. This to me is an easy decision, as no game compares to the respect that I have for the America I love and grew up with, and no athlete's talent is so great that I will overlook the message he is allowed to send on one of the greatest platforms in American society.. that platform being the one provided by professional sports.

It is incredibly disheartening to me to see even very patriotic and conservative people that I know, not even blink twice about their watching habits in the face of this controversy. I truly do believe that the vast majority of Americans, even so-called patriotic Americans, have been lulled to apathy by entertainment and comfort. If you can't even turn off a football game then how do you expect to send any meaningful message that will spur change?

To my liberal minded friends, I see you as Americans too and don't have an ounce of hate in my heart for anyone. To me this is not about hating anyone but creating the best America for future generations. Our country is divided on the vision we want for our country but when we are not trying to take over the steering wheel of where this country is going, we still have a lot in common. I have my insights into why I feel that the direction the liberal agenda wants to steer us down will lead to a long-term cultural suicide and severe weakening of our country.. But that's for another post.


Its quite obvious you dont understand the protest.

I dont mean that in a mean way either. I want to help you understand your neighbors.

I understand you. You have patriotic ideals you hold dear to your heart, you love your country.

I do too. I served for the U.S. Army myself... why? I did so because I care. I wanted to help protect this country and give back to it what it gave to me.

That being said I am still able to recognize that our country is not perfect.

My neighbors, and brothers are not all treated the same in our society, and it is a problem!




You know how in times of emergency our flag is flown upside-down? (an act that may seem disrespectful)

Or when there is a tragedy our flag is flown at half-mast?

THAT is what this is.

That is what so many people.. those who kneel, and those who support those protesting are trying to explain.

Kneeling during the anthem is a symbol that although our country is great, it is in distress. There is a tragedy occurring.

People are getting unjustly killed by those in power, by use of excessive force of the police departments in some communities. In addition to that, Rascism is still very real, we saw that in Charoloettesville. People are being discriminated against in multiple facets of life due to their race and socioeconomic backgrounds.

YOUR NEIGHBORS

It is not meant as a sign of disrespect, it is meant as a plea for help!


Yes these athletes are millionaires, and may no longer have to face as much adversity as they may have in the past... but that is exactly why they are doing it. They are kneeling for the men and women who DONT have a voice on a national stage.

This is what we want want you to hear, and understand!



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:34 AM
link   
Im not done with football, But I am done with the NFL for now, I will watch college football still.

Unless they screw that up too.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:39 AM
link   

originally posted by: Lucidparadox

originally posted by: Galacticsun
I'm someone who enjoys watching football, but with the cowardly stance that the NFL has taken allowing a platform for an anti-American, self hatred cultural change, I will temporarily and completely refrain from "anything" football until they get back to their senses. This to me is an easy decision, as no game compares to the respect that I have for the America I love and grew up with, and no athlete's talent is so great that I will overlook the message he is allowed to send on one of the greatest platforms in American society.. that platform being the one provided by professional sports.

It is incredibly disheartening to me to see even very patriotic and conservative people that I know, not even blink twice about their watching habits in the face of this controversy. I truly do believe that the vast majority of Americans, even so-called patriotic Americans, have been lulled to apathy by entertainment and comfort. If you can't even turn off a football game then how do you expect to send any meaningful message that will spur change?

To my liberal minded friends, I see you as Americans too and don't have an ounce of hate in my heart for anyone. To me this is not about hating anyone but creating the best America for future generations. Our country is divided on the vision we want for our country but when we are not trying to take over the steering wheel of where this country is going, we still have a lot in common. I have my insights into why I feel that the direction the liberal agenda wants to steer us down will lead to a long-term cultural suicide and severe weakening of our country.. But that's for another post.


Its quite obvious you dont understand the protest.

I dont mean that in a mean way either. I want to help you understand your neighbors.

I understand you. You have patriotic ideals you hold dear to your heart, you love your country.

I do too. I served for the U.S. Army myself... why? I did so because I care. I wanted to help protect this country and give back to it what it gave to me.

That being said I am still able to recognize that our country is not perfect.

My neighbors, and brothers are not all treated the same in our society, and it is a problem!




You know how in times of emergency our flag is flown upside-down? (an act that may seem disrespectful)

Or when there is a tragedy our flag is flown at half-mast?

THAT is what this is.

That is what so many people.. those who kneel, and those who support those protesting are trying to explain.

Kneeling during the anthem is a symbol that although our country is great, it is in distress. There is a tragedy occurring.

People are getting unjustly killed by those in power, by use of excessive force of the police departments in some communities. In addition to that, Rascism is still very real, we saw that in Charoloettesville. People are being discriminated against in multiple facets of life due to their race and socioeconomic backgrounds.

YOUR NEIGHBORS

It is not meant as a sign of disrespect, it is meant as a plea for help!


Yes these athletes are millionaires, and may no longer have to face as much adversity as they may have in the past... but that is exactly why they are doing it. They are kneeling for the men and women who DONT have a voice on a national stage.

This is what we want want you to hear, and understand!


Thats all great and a great post and we do understand the movement and what they are trying to bring awareness too.

We just dont give a shi on Sundays, all we wanna do is watch football not a protest.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:43 AM
link   

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Lucidparadox

originally posted by: Galacticsun
I'm someone who enjoys watching football, but with the cowardly stance that the NFL has taken allowing a platform for an anti-American, self hatred cultural change, I will temporarily and completely refrain from "anything" football until they get back to their senses. This to me is an easy decision, as no game compares to the respect that I have for the America I love and grew up with, and no athlete's talent is so great that I will overlook the message he is allowed to send on one of the greatest platforms in American society.. that platform being the one provided by professional sports.

It is incredibly disheartening to me to see even very patriotic and conservative people that I know, not even blink twice about their watching habits in the face of this controversy. I truly do believe that the vast majority of Americans, even so-called patriotic Americans, have been lulled to apathy by entertainment and comfort. If you can't even turn off a football game then how do you expect to send any meaningful message that will spur change?

To my liberal minded friends, I see you as Americans too and don't have an ounce of hate in my heart for anyone. To me this is not about hating anyone but creating the best America for future generations. Our country is divided on the vision we want for our country but when we are not trying to take over the steering wheel of where this country is going, we still have a lot in common. I have my insights into why I feel that the direction the liberal agenda wants to steer us down will lead to a long-term cultural suicide and severe weakening of our country.. But that's for another post.


Its quite obvious you dont understand the protest.

I dont mean that in a mean way either. I want to help you understand your neighbors.

I understand you. You have patriotic ideals you hold dear to your heart, you love your country.

I do too. I served for the U.S. Army myself... why? I did so because I care. I wanted to help protect this country and give back to it what it gave to me.

That being said I am still able to recognize that our country is not perfect.

My neighbors, and brothers are not all treated the same in our society, and it is a problem!




You know how in times of emergency our flag is flown upside-down? (an act that may seem disrespectful)

Or when there is a tragedy our flag is flown at half-mast?

THAT is what this is.

That is what so many people.. those who kneel, and those who support those protesting are trying to explain.

Kneeling during the anthem is a symbol that although our country is great, it is in distress. There is a tragedy occurring.

People are getting unjustly killed by those in power, by use of excessive force of the police departments in some communities. In addition to that, Rascism is still very real, we saw that in Charoloettesville. People are being discriminated against in multiple facets of life due to their race and socioeconomic backgrounds.

YOUR NEIGHBORS

It is not meant as a sign of disrespect, it is meant as a plea for help!


Yes these athletes are millionaires, and may no longer have to face as much adversity as they may have in the past... but that is exactly why they are doing it. They are kneeling for the men and women who DONT have a voice on a national stage.

This is what we want want you to hear, and understand!


Thats all great and a great post and we do understand the movement and what they are trying to bring awareness too.

We just dont give a shi on Sundays, all we wanna do is watch football not a protest.


I understand your concern.

However, how is it really any different than Breast Cancer Awareness Month where all the NFL teams wear pink?

Or when the NFL does awareness campaigns for Natural Disaster cleanup

Or when the NFL does hanti-human trafficking campaigns

Or what about NFL PLAY 60 collaboration with the United Way, wrking on instituting exercise in our childrens daily routines?

How is this no different?



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:45 AM
link   

originally posted by: Lucidparadox

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Lucidparadox

originally posted by: Galacticsun
I'm someone who enjoys watching football, but with the cowardly stance that the NFL has taken allowing a platform for an anti-American, self hatred cultural change, I will temporarily and completely refrain from "anything" football until they get back to their senses. This to me is an easy decision, as no game compares to the respect that I have for the America I love and grew up with, and no athlete's talent is so great that I will overlook the message he is allowed to send on one of the greatest platforms in American society.. that platform being the one provided by professional sports.

It is incredibly disheartening to me to see even very patriotic and conservative people that I know, not even blink twice about their watching habits in the face of this controversy. I truly do believe that the vast majority of Americans, even so-called patriotic Americans, have been lulled to apathy by entertainment and comfort. If you can't even turn off a football game then how do you expect to send any meaningful message that will spur change?

To my liberal minded friends, I see you as Americans too and don't have an ounce of hate in my heart for anyone. To me this is not about hating anyone but creating the best America for future generations. Our country is divided on the vision we want for our country but when we are not trying to take over the steering wheel of where this country is going, we still have a lot in common. I have my insights into why I feel that the direction the liberal agenda wants to steer us down will lead to a long-term cultural suicide and severe weakening of our country.. But that's for another post.


Its quite obvious you dont understand the protest.

I dont mean that in a mean way either. I want to help you understand your neighbors.

I understand you. You have patriotic ideals you hold dear to your heart, you love your country.

I do too. I served for the U.S. Army myself... why? I did so because I care. I wanted to help protect this country and give back to it what it gave to me.

That being said I am still able to recognize that our country is not perfect.

My neighbors, and brothers are not all treated the same in our society, and it is a problem!




You know how in times of emergency our flag is flown upside-down? (an act that may seem disrespectful)

Or when there is a tragedy our flag is flown at half-mast?

THAT is what this is.

That is what so many people.. those who kneel, and those who support those protesting are trying to explain.

Kneeling during the anthem is a symbol that although our country is great, it is in distress. There is a tragedy occurring.

People are getting unjustly killed by those in power, by use of excessive force of the police departments in some communities. In addition to that, Rascism is still very real, we saw that in Charoloettesville. People are being discriminated against in multiple facets of life due to their race and socioeconomic backgrounds.

YOUR NEIGHBORS

It is not meant as a sign of disrespect, it is meant as a plea for help!


Yes these athletes are millionaires, and may no longer have to face as much adversity as they may have in the past... but that is exactly why they are doing it. They are kneeling for the men and women who DONT have a voice on a national stage.

This is what we want want you to hear, and understand!


Thats all great and a great post and we do understand the movement and what they are trying to bring awareness too.

We just dont give a shi on Sundays, all we wanna do is watch football not a protest.


I understand your concern.

However, how is it really any different than Breast Cancer Awareness Month where all the NFL teams wear pink?

Or when the NFL does awareness campaigns for Natural Disaster cleanup

Or when the NFL does hanti-human trafficking campaigns

Or what about NFL PLAY 60 collaboration with the United Way, wrking on instituting exercise in our childrens daily routines?

How is this no different?


its different because todays fiasco was all about Trump and getting back at Trump.

It cant get any more political.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:46 AM
link   
a reply to: Lucidparadox

Lucid, yours is one of the better arguments I've heard in defense of this protest, and I could understand the argument if I agreed with the premise you build it on.. But from my personal observations I have not seen anything that would lead me to agree. What others see as "white privelage" I see as privelage from being respectful, privelage of being a person of integrity and intelligence, privelage of being a person of peace and respect, privelage of being a good and decent citizen who works to make his society and surroundings a better place. This privelage does not come from race or color but the content of one's character, and in my personal experience I've seen that any race or color has the ability to receive this privelage based on their character.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:49 AM
link   

originally posted by: dashen
I expect the nfl to lose millions if not billions over this misguided idiocy.


So your a staunch supporter for the big elite companies?



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:50 AM
link   

originally posted by: Galacticsun
a reply to: Lucidparadox

Lucid, yours is one of the better arguments I've heard in defense of this protest, and I could understand the argument if I agreed with the premise you build it on.. But from my personal observations I have not seen anything that would lead me to agree. What others see as "white privelage" I see as privelage from being respectful, privelage of being a person of integrity and intelligence, privelage of being a person of peace and respect, privelage of being a good and decent citizen who works to make his society and surroundings a better place. This privelage does not come from race or color but the content of one's character, and in my personal experience I've seen that any race or color has the ability to receive this privelage based on their character.


how about the privilege of being generationally redlined into ghettoes and denied mortgages and loans, leaving you with an inability to grow your own wealth or pass it down to your children?



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:54 AM
link   
I was going to watch the Seahawks, but wasn't even interested when I heard what they did, and they lost anyway, which I expected them to for having this mindset be such a distraction to them when they should be focused on their overpaid jobs. The Titans did the same stunt, but the Seahawks never win when they have any issues, and this was one of those losing issues for them.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:55 AM
link   
People have different views about this protest. People who think they are disrespecting the military and country by this do not want to pay to see it. And will protest the sports conglomerate's protest. So here we are arguing about a protest of a protest. Hey. Lets make a game out of it and bet on which protest wins?



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:57 AM
link   

originally posted by: 3daysgone


So your a staunch supporter for the big elite companies?

the hell are you talking about?



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 01:09 AM
link   

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: Galacticsun
a reply to: Lucidparadox

Lucid, yours is one of the better arguments I've heard in defense of this protest, and I could understand the argument if I agreed with the premise you build it on.. But from my personal observations I have not seen anything that would lead me to agree. What others see as "white privelage" I see as privelage from being respectful, privelage of being a person of integrity and intelligence, privelage of being a person of peace and respect, privelage of being a good and decent citizen who works to make his society and surroundings a better place. This privelage does not come from race or color but the content of one's character, and in my personal experience I've seen that any race or color has the ability to receive this privelage based on their character.


how about the privilege of being generationally redlined into ghettoes and denied mortgages and loans, leaving you with an inability to grow your own wealth or pass it down to your children?


I built my own wealth. My dad had dirt floors for much of his childhood. But, both my parents worked hard on their marriage and despite me being a hellion they were able to provide a good moral compass.

Fix the family and you fix the black race. Mexican Americans don't have this problem. The Irish, not long after having rocks thrown at their heads upon arrival, put a man in the White House very quickly. Don't even get me started on Asians or Indians for that matter. Even most Muslims in America are generally successful save for the growing number of refugees.


The Blacks arent. They're really not that successful anywhere. I wonder if it's a racial thing in terms of the drive to huddle as a family. You'd think with the examples in history of families being ripped apart as slaves that they'd put extra special interest into the family.

The Black race in America needs a reformation inside itself, and they need to start working with the community instead of against it.

Bring Dad home and for Petes sake get married!

If my words are hard to hear then you should consider that your own emotional pain indicator, like a nerve, telling you that this hit home.

This is the hard road Blacks in America have not yet traveled but must overcome. I know I'm asking for a generational change, but nothing more will fix it.

Also, if Blacks could fix the family, they'd see a large population boost and could soon be a near shared majority.

There's really no downside to fixing the family for the Blacks. Name one, I dare you.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 01:13 AM
link   

originally posted by: dashen

originally posted by: 3daysgone


So your a staunch supporter for the big elite companies?

the hell are you talking about?


Sorry, I thought you knew.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 01:19 AM
link   

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: dashen

originally posted by: 3daysgone


So your a staunch supporter for the big elite companies?

the hell are you talking about?


Sorry, I thought you knew.


Im always the last to find out about these things


(post by fiverx313 removed for a manners violation)

posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 01:25 AM
link   
 


off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



new topics




 
21
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join