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These are the NFL Teams Not Participating In The National Anthem

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posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:16 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
Thats what I saw too.

Its funny, so many people were on ats hailing today as a great win for the NFL against trump.

I think they are about to find out that the majority of NFL viewers disagree.


I'll bet the majority of NFL fans don't actually care.




posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:18 PM
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originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: MysticPearl

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: ColoradoJens

You're still deflecting? Lol. I thought you were on about Wall St and Big Pharma. Now you deflected to inequality?

I know what it is. Minorities are victims of inequality, so much so to the point Asians are the top earners in America and out-earn the evil white man.


That's cool. If you can't see the correlation to the racist practices of the biggest money makers in the US and why pro athletes kneel during the national anthem than I can't help you.


Lol. You should pivot to aliens next.

BTW, they're not kneeling to protest Big Pharma, they're kneeling to protest black lives not mattering enough.


Aliens, as far as I know, aren't racists.

Now to your second point, just use your head for a minute and think...why would they feel lie their lives don't matter enough? Just go nuts and throw some stuff out.


Because the number one cause of death for young black men is murder by other young black men, and the media and culture ignores this?


No. But there is a reason that stat exists and it isn't because blacks are some subhuman animals.


Who said they were.

Let me try again then.

Do they feel that their lives don't matter because they are treated like children by some that do not give them the dignity of having personal responsibilty?


I think the baseball player guy you were referencing thinks they are animals.

I don't know what you are trying to say with that last part. I know a lot of idiots who are not personally responsible and most of them wouldn't take on the personal responsibility of putting their jobs on the line to speak up about the injustices done to them. See how I did that?


No clevenger said the blm people rioting and those supporting them were animals.

What I meant by my last sentence was that some people claim that it's not black people's fault they commit crime, or that black people can't be racist, or that black people need special treatment to achieve in schoo l or the work place.

You know, treating them like chdren with no responsibility that need to be protected.

Yes, if I was black, that would offend me and make me question of those doing that thought my life mattered.


I understand. Some people claim it isn't their fault they commit massive fraud by inventing toxic CDO's and selling them to the uneducated public; some people claim just because they wear nazi gear, preach hatred of Jews, blacks, etc doesn't mean they aren't peace loving fun to hang with homies.

How about all of those in the Red States on welfare who hate other people on welfare?
How about the typical and historically overused idea that white people use all the time of "immigrants are taking my job" when in reality most of them are those people complaining about others on welfare?


Sure those peoe are wrong. Personal responsibility is a wonderful thing.

But I don't see huge movements in academia, the media, political world, sports world, and hollywood to make excuses for the Nazis and say it not their fault, or even for poor white people.

When is the last time you have heard a large group claiming poor white people can't be racist, or That white people shouldn't be judged for crimes the commit because of the circumstances they live in.

Yet some people treat blacks like children and take away that which makes us who we are, our personal responsibility.



Hmmm. Making excuses or righting a wrong.

The last time I knew that white people would not be judged (even more definitive than shouldn't) because of the circumstances they live in was the last time Wall Street tried to destroy our economy. One banker - ONE - was held accountable. That is a fact.

one guy went to jail while all the other white guys didn't


Yes bankers avoided jail time, were bailed out,etc. It was a disgrace, and something I argued heavily against.

Are you suggesting it was their skin color and not wealth that allowed them to avoid jail time?

If so what is the impication?

Can I cite oj as proof that black people avoid jail time?

Of course not.

Our legal system is a joke for the extremely wealthy, regardless of color.

Yet one more advantage the rich NFL kneelers have over the rest of us.



So you say because people are poor, disadvantaged and have been the victim of systemic and "legal" racism, it is a "movement" that is bad to give them equal opportunity?

What about taking rich, every advantage in the world, white people and bailing them out? Is it just a coincidence they are all white?


They are all white?

So I am not going to find any non white bankers?

Man, your sure starting to sound like a racist.



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:19 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
That's literally one of the beliefs of conservatism:
"Society is naturally hierarchical".


as long as the poorest white person has someone to look down on, we're all good....



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:19 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck



YES, I AM. Live with it.

Oh I don't care if you cry like a baby about some guys on TV expressing their opinions.
You should be asking yourself that question... can you live with that?



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:20 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Bigburgh

Thats what I saw too.

Its funny, so many people were on ats hailing today as a great win for the NFL against trump.

I think they are about to find out that the majority of NFL viewers disagree.


Agreed.
But heres where i sound like an ignorant A-Hole.
Even though I chose to watch the game and put all the crap aside. I mean it's just a game right?
I'm getting miffed that Politics are getting into the mix (again).

1: I understand that it's the ultimate platform to get Their message across.(and it is)

2: But these guys have contracts to get paid Millions and play football. They are encouraged to partake in community activities. That's where they need to make a Positve impact on those less fortunate.

Start in the communities by helping to bring a good outcome.




edit on 24-9-2017 by Bigburgh because: Spelling



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:20 PM
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a reply to: underwerks


Which NFL players worked that into taking a knee today?

I have no idea. After seeing the planned stoopidity on the morning news, I refused to let anything NFL play on my TV today.

And it wasn't because Trump suggested it. I'm just tired of stoopid.

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:20 PM
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originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
That's literally one of the beliefs of conservatism:
"Society is naturally hierarchical".


as long as the poorest white person has someone to look down on, we're all good....


As long as liberals have a group to call oppressors, we are all good.



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:21 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

There you go trying to change what's being said again.

I'm not saying you're racist for not liking the protest. You don't have to support it if you don't want.

But acting like they owe you something and that they should just shut up and entertain you or they should be punished. That's just plain old arrogance of the highest order.

I'm not calling your racist either. I'm implying that you might be though. At least that would explain your over dramatic response to some players taking a knee in silence. If it's not that then I guess you're just completely self involved and think the world revolves around you and everyone's actions should be something you agree with or they should be punished.

Who's to say which one you are. Personally I don't find either one to be very admirable.



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:21 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: MysticPearl

originally posted by: mOjOm
Most of you sound like privileged slave masters yourselves.


You figured us out.

Congrats.

Sincerely,

A privileged slave master to two adorable cats.


I see. So you're saying you're rough on the P*ssy as well huh???

I'm not saying you are slave masters. Just that is what some of you sound like. Talking about how you're not entertained enough so they should be punished. What arrogance and self righteous ego that is.


You're on a roll, just spot on.

I'm incredibly self righteous and similar to a racist slave master because I believe players have the right to kneel/protest and fans have the right to turn their attention elsewhere. I'm just all kinds of evil.
edit on 24-9-2017 by MysticPearl because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:21 PM
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And the loses keep on coming for trump and is worshipers.

Fake outrage smell so good in the morning.



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:22 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
That's literally one of the beliefs of conservatism:
"Society is naturally hierarchical".


as long as the poorest white person has someone to look down on, we're all good....


As long as liberals have a group to call oppressors, we are all good.

*Calls Antifa on VP*
"Hey man will you get Grambler?"
"Sure thing man. I'll bring the bike lock."



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:22 PM
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a reply to: infolurker

They were all reacting to Trumps disgraceful remarks the day before. This was a HUGE FU to Trump and he deserved it.



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:22 PM
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a reply to: Bigburgh




That's where the need to make a Positve impact on those less fortunate.

Sounds like a good place to start your research.



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:22 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: theantediluvian
There's nothing that sets off conservatives worse than black people protesting. What the hell happened to all that "party of Lincoln" bull#? The "Democrats are the real racists! BLAH BLAH KLANBAKE! KLANBAKE!" screeching?

An athlete takes a knee during the national anthem to protest what he sees as social inequality and you lose your collective s#? Was Colin Kaepernick protesting you? Was the half white guy raised by white adopted parents protesting "whitey?" Was he protesting conservatives? Was he protesting Trump supporters? No? None of that?

Are you denying the reality of social inequality or do you just not gaf? What is it?

You have another person saying it's anti-free speech if you don't watch the protest.


SMH

I assume you're talking about me, apologies if not. That's not what I meant at all.

To intentionally organize and try to stop someones protest through economic means is trying to silence that speech. I figured such an advocate for free speech would see that.

I'm not talking about the NFL fan who just wants to watch football, and turns it off annoyed. I'm talking about everyone (online and in this thread) that is purposefully banding together and working to take money away from the teams in the hope that the players will stop protesting. Because they don't believe what they're protesting about is real, and doesn't mesh with their politics.

Intent, here like in so many other areas in life, matters.



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:23 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien


You should be asking yourself that question... can you live with that?

Yes, I can.

At this point, after all the continual protests over every cockamammy imagined fantastical slight ever concocted for so long, I am all for a Federal law (or Constitutional amendment if necessary) banning protests of any kind. Apparently people aren't capable of handling such power.

Live with that.

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: Phage


Then you have nothing to complain about as far as interference with your viewing pleasure goes.


Wrong there, smarty pants.. I have to deal with lots of people who complain about my viewing pleasures


I'm OK with people having differing views than mine.

You OK with that?



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:24 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Deaf Alien


You should be asking yourself that question... can you live with that?

Yes, I can.

At this point, after all the continual protests over every cockamammy imagined fantastical slight ever concocted for so long, I am all for a Federal law (or Constitutional amendment if necessary) banning protests of any kind. Apparently people aren't capable of handling such power.

Live with that.

TheRedneck

Grambler, do you see this?
See this is a perfect example.



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:24 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
As long as liberals have a group to call oppressors, we are all good.


god forbid anyone should try to improve things, yeah. we're such morons.



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:25 PM
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a reply to: MysticPearl

So turn your attention elsewhere then. Because that's not what you're doing when instead you just keep calling for them to be punished for their actions and making a huge fuss over it.

I mean if you could actually divert your attention away for just the time it takes the anthem to happen then you wouldn't even know about them taking a knee. But you can't.

You must stand against any and all freedom of expression you don't like apparently.



posted on Sep, 24 2017 @ 11:28 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: MysticPearl

So turn your attention elsewhere then. Because that's not what you're doing when instead you just keep calling for them to be punished for their actions and making a huge fuss over it.


Where did I call for them to be punished? One of my first posts in this thread was explicitly stating players have the right to kneel/protest. How the hell is that standing against freedom of expression?



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