Trump-BOYCOTT NFL teams whose players refuse to stand for the National Anthem

a reply to: Phage

I can't watch vids at this time.

a reply to: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

Welcome freshly minted ATS member!

A> You're mixing up your statistics.

B> They're protesting in solidarity with the belief that Black Americans are treated differently by the legal system and police forces ... which is evidentially true no matter which stat you look at.

originally posted by: underwerks
It's kind of crazy to see the president of the united states call someone a "son of a b####" and want them to lose their job all because they chose to exercise their freedom of speech.

I guess that's what everyone voted for, though.

That's not actually "all they're doing". They are promoting a narrative that is a lie and will only further divide the country.

a reply to: Willtell

Imagine, Trump giving advice that is bad for business ...

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

Welcome freshly minted ATS member!

A> You're mixing up your statistics.

Feel free to explain. I'm quite familiar with the statistics.

B> They're protesting in solidarity with the belief that Black Americans are treated differently by the legal system and police forces ... which is evidentially true no matter which stat you look at.

They commit significantly more crime having a record tends to lead to harsher sentences and more interaction with cops. To jump on "white racists are the problem" is a lie and quite nefarious.

It is utterly amazing how so many people on here do not understand how they have been programmed by the government to blindly show allegiance to their country and it all starts in school.

How the Pledge of Allegiance Went From PR Gimmick to Patriotic Vow

The pledge itself would prove malleable, and by World War II many public schools required a morning recitation. In 1954, as the cold war intensified, Congress added the words “under God” to distinguish the United States from “godless Communism.”

Yet the pledge continues to have its critics, with some pointing out the irony of requiring citizens to swear fealty to a nation that prizes freedom of thought and speech.

What Hitler and the Nazis copied from America

you have to first overcome a whole life of indoctrination telling you that when someone in a uniform tells you to do something, you do it.

This kind of obedience is no accident. It starts off as an intentional process from childhood.
In school you were taught to sit down, shut up, and do whatever your teacher said. The lesson from day number one was to take orders without thinking about them.

If you grew up in the United States, you likely started your day off with your hand over your heart proclaiming your fealty to your nation—whatever that was—and the piece of tri-colored cloth by which it was represented. Before you could understand what any of the words in the Pledge of Allegiance meant, you knew them by heart.

That was exactly the point.

Aiming to instill patriotism and obedience in children early on, Francis Bellamy, the socialist minister who penned the Pledge, made sure to keep it brief and with good cadence so it would be easily memorized.

The Nazi salute and the indoctrination of children? Yep, that was the US’s idea first. Thus, the same blind obedience given to those in uniforms is also given to actions commanded under the name of the American flag.

A socialist started it, you know the people the right hate.

Francis Bellamy, the socialist minister

Stephen A. Smith Points Out NFL's Paid Patriotism Problem

Add in the fact that the NFL received millions of taxpayer dollars from the Department of Defense and the National Guard for patriotic displays, and it puts the entire Kaepernick hullabaloo in a different light.

"Fans should have confidence that their hometown heroes are being honored because of their honorable military service, not as a marketing ploy," Senator John McCain, the Vietnam War veteran and P.O.W., saidin a statement last year coinciding with "Tackling Paid Patriotism," a joint oversight report released by McCain and his fellow Arizona Republican Senator John Flake.

But is it true?

Why Are NFL Players on the Sidelines for the National Anthem?

WHAT'S TRUE
NFL players were not required to be on the field during the playing of the U.S. national anthem prior to 2009.

WHAT'S FALSE
Players always had the option of standing on the sidelines during the playing of the national anthem if they so chose.

The practice of “paid patriotism” came to light on 30 April 2015, when Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) released a statement chiding the New Jersey Army National Guard for paying between $97,000 and $115,000 to the New York Jets for a series of promotions involving military personnel. That November, Flake and fellow Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain issued a report stating that the Defense Department had been paying for patriotic displays in football and other sports between 2011 and 2014

However, this report did not cover the year 2009, so it is unclear whether NFL teams’ appearing on the field for the playing of the national anthem truly began in conjunction with the “paid patriotism” policy. We have contacted both Sen. Flake and the NFL regarding this issue but have not received any responses

It does seem to be a weird coincidence that players starting standing for the flag after the DOD gave money to NFL teams.

I do not see patriots when they stand for the flag but sheep who have been indoctrinated to blindly show allegiance to a piece of cloth.

Some of you seem to forget what the pledge states.

“I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

It says right there they are allowed to do what they please unless of course you do not understand what "liberty" means.

It also states justice for all and that is not happening in America.

It also makes me laugh when you say these players are just pampered millionaires who should shut up, yet will listen to a pampered billionaire who has never had to suffer the hardships that most Americans go through daily and cannot relate to most of you.

a reply to: seasonal

Its kind of a self centered "protest". But I don't really care. They have the right to do so. The NFL has the right to fire them when their contracts expire. We have the right to boycott or ignore them. Trump should try doing something helpful and quit being a celebrity bitch tweeting and running his mouth.

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Phage

I can't watch vids at this time.

Take your time.
But yes, he said it last night in Alabama.

originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Phage

I can't watch vids at this time.

Take your time.
But yes, he said it.

Did he call them that or is he saying what the owners should say?

Big diff buddy.




Funny that you couldn't find a quote for us.

a reply to: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

Well, you muddled through your claim and seem to be saying that Blacks kill 13% of the population ... maybe you were just in a hurry.

You have zero evidence that anyone "commits more crime." If you actually are aware of statistics, you can say that Blacks are arrested more often and convicted more often ... but that just proves the point that the protesters are making.

And you end up with a silly argument that no one has made; no one has said "white racists are the problem."

What a waste of a throw-away account.

a reply to: Onslaught9966
Ya see it's easier for lazy "patriots" to stand or defend the flag or say a pledge than actually do something patriotic.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Implied. It's about disrespecting something that the majority of citizens feel strongly about. Not the way to do it. If real change is to be effective, it doesn't ostracise people unrelated to what you want to change, it brings them in. This is not doing it, and it's disrespectful to millions of people who hold some things close.

Why, I ask again, Why, is protesting the national anthem, going to further the movement to end police brutality. It's not gonna make diddly squat happen, apart from everyone going "What's this tosser doing?" and them tuning out.

And as someone else stated, it's spread into schools now. With kids, primary school kids, taking a knee because "Black people are being killed." -- it isn't changing anything and these kids are not doing this out of their own self guided empathy. Someone is influencing them, and not educating them.

There are ways to affect change. And there are ways to just be a noisy nuisance. But I reiterate I am not saying they don't have the right to. Sure, let them bend a knee. The only dog I have in this race, is stating how redundant the entire thing is, while others proclaim it as some amazing thing.

We're heading into scary times. Our own fellow citizens are calling patriotic citizens the enemy. Destroying historical monuments, burning national flags. Not just the US, but here also. eroding the very foundation of what we once considered our unique strength. My opinion, obviously. But I don't like where things are headed.

a reply to: Josephus

I've given up trying to figure out those pads...


I'd stand, or kneel right beside him. He's stating his conscience...more of us should be willing to do so.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: badw0lf


It's like arguing with twelve year olds.

I'm glad you can empathize with my pain.

Hyuk hyuk

Why you, geddoudahere !!

a reply to: Onslaught9966

The players who are protesting are actually showing far more respect for those who have died to protect our freedoms than many here and from this President that doesn't seem to understand the US Constitution in the slightest.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

Well, you muddled through your claim and seem to be saying that Blacks kill 13% of the population ... maybe you were just in a hurry.

They are 13% of the population. I didn't say anything about killing 13%.

You have zero evidence that anyone "commits more crime." If you actually are aware of statistics, you can say that Blacks are arrested more often and convicted more often ... but that just proves the point that the protesters are making.

Yes, that black people shouldn't be arrested for committing crimes. For whatever reason, this is an idea many are humoring.

And you end up with a silly argument that no one has made; no one has said "white racists are the problem."

What a waste of a throw-away account.

What are you talking about? "white people are the problem" IS the entire narrative! That's why you get BLM members invading college libraries and attacking white students while screaming "F#cking filthy whites!". There is no other discussion or ideas allowed, which is why this "protest" is so divisive and offensive.

a reply to: badw0lf

Why, I ask again, Why, is protesting the national anthem, going to further the movement to end police brutality. It's not gonna make diddly squat happen, apart from everyone going "What's this tosser doing?" and them tuning out.

Are they protesting the National Anthem? Or are they protesting while the National Anthem is being played?

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Onslaught9966
Ya see it's easier for lazy "patriots" to stand or defend the flag or say a pledge than actually do something patriotic.

What do you suggest as an action? Not dig intended.

originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: badw0lf

Because?

Do explain.

Sports events are not significant to national identity.

The right to peaceably assemble clause of the 1st amendment does not require explicit demonstrations of proof that the assembly (such as athletes and spectators) is not gathered for purposes of insurrection. Those demonstrations of loyalty are voluntarily done for fear that the authorities may get the wrong idea and open fire.

So you don't attend any event that sings your national anthem because... you don't wish to voluntarily show loyalty?

You're disloyal?

I still don't get it. Sounds like you wouldn't go to a birthday party because no one is forced to sing happy birthday, but they do anyway..

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

Welcome freshly minted ATS member!

A> You're mixing up your statistics.

B> They're protesting in solidarity with the belief that Black Americans are treated differently by the legal system and police forces ... which is evidentially true no matter which stat you look at.

Yes black people are treated differently. How many white people are on that team? Blacks are better at sports? Well evidently they are better at crime too, hence all the attention