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John McCain Once Again Proven to be an Untrustworthy Asshat

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posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 10:39 PM
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It's my opinion that he is just another part of the show in DC. There's no conscience to it ... just an old dying senator in the final climax of his character. a reply to: Gryphon66




posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 06:38 AM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Bull snip, it works because ppl believed gov't can work on their behalf and are not necessary the enemy.
And while all gov't including Japan have a certain level of corruption, they do keep faith with Japan's social contract and there are quite a few non Japanese residents, although mostly from Asia.

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posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 08:56 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Willtell

You can't "fix" ObamaCare. It's an absolute LEMON. A comprehensive Medicare-4-All system would be far more efficient, and actually cost LESS, over the next 10 years.





We have to try something.... The Republican Idea of having 50 different types of Healthcare plans is adding more levels of complexity to an already overly complex system. What if State A considers Illness X not a pre-existing condition and you want to move to State B where Illness X IS a pre-existing condition? Basically you are screwed.

50 levels of bureaucracy is not the way to go.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 09:32 AM
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Normallly a sympathetic person, I will not shed a tear when this NWO pusher leaves the earth.

He has betrayed our country, his countrymen and himself.

Sleep tight John. But our country is better off without you.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

Ummmm.... that's how Obama Care was passed in the first place.

And many other other bills---including the TPP.

And now it suddenly bothers you?! The secrecy?



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 11:57 AM
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originally posted by: MRuss
a reply to: soberbacchus

Ummmm.... that's how Obama Care was passed in the first place.



No. It wasn't. The exact OPPOSITE..How old are you?

From Feb. 9th 2009 until March 23rd 2010.

Over a year of debate, committees, amendments, multiple CBO reviews, legislation contributed to by both GOP and Dems et al.

en.wikipedia.org...



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posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 11:58 AM
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posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 01:46 PM
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Senate gave up trying to pass Cassidy Bill. Link

Now they will have to work with Democrats..... they'll need at least 60 votes.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: pavil
Senate gave up trying to pass Cassidy Bill. Link

Now they will have to work with Democrats..... they'll need at least 60 votes.


They will bleed out Obamacare like a pack of wolves taking down a buffalo...Like they have been for years.

They will not work with Dems.

Maybe I am jaded.
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posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus if Republicans put American people first, the majority of them will have to work with Democrats. No way around it in the current environment of dysfunctionality.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 02:34 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: soberbacchus if Republicans put American people first, the majority of them will have to work with Democrats. No way around it in the current environment of dysfunctionality.


Personally I think whoever compromises first and passes a fix or better to healthcare...that party wins 2018 and 2020.

If I was a GOP Pol...I would race to extend a hand to Dems, open up debate and committees under regular order etc.

If Dems refuse, hang it around their neck for being unwilling to fix healthcare..Obstructionists, politics over the people!

If Dems accept, then the GOP pats themselves on the back for rising above the partisanship and saving healthcare.

DC still mistakenly thinks people want division on this topic.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 03:27 PM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: soberbacchus if Republicans put American people first, the majority of them will have to work with Democrats. No way around it in the current environment of dysfunctionality.


Personally I think whoever compromises first and passes a fix or better to healthcare...that party wins 2018 and 2020.

If I was a GOP Pol...I would race to extend a hand to Dems, open up debate and committees under regular order etc.

If Dems refuse, hang it around their neck for being unwilling to fix healthcare..Obstructionists, politics over the people!

If Dems accept, then the GOP pats themselves on the back for rising above the partisanship and saving healthcare.

DC still mistakenly thinks people want division on this topic.


Exactly.. it's in BOTH parties interest to be the party of the "Solution". I don't care if both side claim the credit....the American people win more than either of them do.

Time for Trump to switch into populist "Art of the Deal" mode in overdrive. A few Republican ideas and a Few Democrat ideas and you've got the frameworks on a whole host of issues. It will be easier once they put their egos away on both sides .

Trouble is both sides wouldn't know compromise of it hit them over the head.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 03:42 PM
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What if every ballot for a congressional and senate seat included a "None of the Above", where if "None of the Above" won the seat would be given to a random lottery selected individual from voter registration who could accept or decline and so on until the seat if filled.

Cuz congressional approval ratings for both parties are pretty damn low, but they get their job because people are forced to choose between mostly binary and crappy options.

ballots should include an option to punish both parties for incompetence.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: SamBernsMcCain incapacitated by brain cancer. He is not his usual self. There really should be a rule that says no senator who suffers from brain cancer can continue to hold office.


Do you think president Trump will attend his funeral?



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 04:23 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: SamBernsMcCain incapacitated by brain cancer. He is not his usual self. There really should be a rule that says no senator who suffers from brain cancer can continue to hold office.


Do you think president Trump will attend his funeral?


Do you think he would be invited?



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 08:20 AM
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God bless John McCain.
That’s the maverick I love: he put people and principal before party & politics.
We need more of that—especially in the era of orange.



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:18 AM
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Do you honestly think any health care bill will favor the consumers over the Insurance companies and the for "profit" healthcare industry?

I don't.....



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:39 AM
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I'm going to ask some serious questions with the aim of understanding the situation and not to inflame anything. I (and I imagine a lot of other people) are really curious and a bit baffled by your healthcare system and so I'd like to understand it more.

1. Why don't you get rid of insurance companies as they are purely designed to make money i.e.: charge you as much as possible and pay out as little as possible? From what I understand, this also leads to an incredible amount of money being spent on working out the admin.

2. Can your govt not negotiate better medicine and equipment costs?

3. Is it true that often you are seen by specialists which sounds great, but could sometimes be seen by more general practitioners who could do the same job for less cost?

4. Do certain hospitals charge more than others?

5. If you all paid an equal amount (or a % of your salary) every month, would this not give you a decent level of care for a relatively small amount of cost? Especially if points 1-4 were changed.

I don't want to misunderstand your situation, because from the outside it looks like the main issue you have with your model is that it is a business designed to make money and not to make people better. While our system might not be perfect, it is (a) relatively free (b) very good quality and (c) not going to ever lead to a citizen going bankrupt by needing medicine.



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posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 10:00 AM
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1. Why don't you get rid of insurance companies as they are purely designed to make money i.e.: charge you as much as possible and pay out as little as possible? From what I understand, this also leads to an incredible amount of money being spent on working out the admin.

You are correct... the current setup in the US is that we have a "Sickness Management Industry" that is designed to enrich insurance companies at the expense of everybody and everything else. We do not have anything that really approaches a Health Care System here. The reason we haven't gotten rid of the insurance industry is that they own the politicians, and the slack-jawed troglodytes that are here that vote are too often distracted by all the bright shiny things said politicians and their owners dangle in front of them, so they continue to vote for obviously crooked morons who are nothing more than whores (and my apologies to the sex worker industry... we need a better word to describe current politicians in the US) for their owners.



2. Can your govt not negotiate better medicine and equipment costs?

CAN the gov't do that? Sure. But WILL they? Not when the people implementing the government (see above re slack-jawed troglodytes and how they vote) are so stupid and venal.



3. Is it true that often you are seen by specialists which sounds great, but could sometimes be seen by more general practitioners who could do the same job for less cost?

4. Do certain hospitals charge more than others?

I don't really know on these.



5. If you all paid an equal amount (or a % of your salary) every month, would this not give you a decent level of care for a relatively small amount of cost? Especially if points 1-4 were changed.

It could, yes. We could have a system here where nearly everybody pays less out of pocket for actual good health care, for a decent price. However, see above re slack-jawed troglodytes and the morons they continue to insist on putting into positions of power.



I don't want to misunderstand your situation, because from the outside it looks like the main issue you have with your model is that it is a business designed to make money and not to make people better. While our system might not be perfect, it is (a) relatively free (b) very good quality and (c) not going to ever lead to a citizen going bankrupt by needing medicine.

It looks that way from the inside, too. The SJTs in this country are all foaming at the mouth at the thought of "government controlled health care", but seem to be perfectly happy with corporate controlled disease management, when the government actually has to answer to the people while corporations - given the current state of the Market forces, DEFINITELY not a free market - answer to only themselves and are right up front about not giving a # about anything other than executive level enrichment.



posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 09:40 PM
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It would be too easy to just have as many covered procedures and diagnostics as possible for free, then the next level of care can be subsidized, and the next level be cash on demand.

If you want the fancy coverage or special doctors or facilities then get insurance for that.




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