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The Postmodern Socialist

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posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Actually gambling bankers caused the collapse...

But the rest of what you said is true...

I think of all the Food Banks across the States & the U.K and can see it's unbridled austerity and pure Capitalism that causes such a travesty.



To argue for pure Capitalism is folly. In it's extremes it's just as bad as any system.
I don't know if that's what's LesMis is doing though.




posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:48 PM
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Since there were so many expensive, confusing, and taxing words in your post I couldn't help but wonder if you ran it through turnitin.com to check for plagiarism before you posted it here.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:52 PM
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Great another thread where we discuss the relative benefits or otherwise of socialism while meaning completely different things by the term.

The most successful countries in the world are social democracies or similar. Neither socialist or capitalist (there really isn't any 100% of either anywhere).



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The Nordic models only work because they have a Capitalist base to support them.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: 4003fireglo
Since there were so many expensive, confusing, and taxing words in your post I couldn't help but wonder if you ran it through turnitin.com to check for plagiarism before you posted it here.


So your criticism of the OP is that he used big words?



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The Nordic models only work because they have a Capitalist base to support them.



& The Capitalist base only survives, thrives & stays healthy because of the Socialist policies brought forward...

Let's not pretend one is more important than the other... they support in tandem.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: 4003fireglo
Since there were so many expensive, confusing, and taxing words in your post I couldn't help but wonder if you ran it through turnitin.com to check for plagiarism before you posted it here.


So your criticism of the OP is that he used big words?


Um. No.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:58 PM
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My problem with socialism is that we very quickly move away from things that everyone in society can expect to draw direct benefit from toward socializing everyone toward funding things fewer and fewer people draw direct benefit from and yet everyone is still forced to directly pay for them.

We also socialize in such a way that it becomes almost completely impossible for individuals to unwind themselves from the socialized systems when and if those systems becomes either completely useless to them or even grossly abusive. Think about the inner city family who wants a good education for their children, for an example.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: 4003fireglo
Since there were so many expensive, confusing, and taxing words in your post I couldn't help but wonder if you ran it through turnitin.com to check for plagiarism before you posted it here.


So your criticism of the OP is that he used big words?



Ummm...nah...that was the red herring...the real intent was to accuse LeMis of plagiarism...




YouSir



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: 4003fireglo
Since there were so many expensive, confusing, and taxing words in your post I couldn't help but wonder if you ran it through turnitin.com to check for plagiarism before you posted it here.


What confuses you? Maybe I could explain it a little better.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: 4003fireglo
Since there were so many expensive, confusing, and taxing words in your post I couldn't help but wonder if you ran it through turnitin.com to check for plagiarism before you posted it here.


So your criticism of the OP is that he used big words?



Ummm...nah...that was the red herring...the real intent was to accuse LeMis of plagiarism...




YouSir


I know.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The Nordic models only work because they have a Capitalist base to support them.



& The Capitalist base only survives, thrives & stays healthy because of the Socialist policies brought forward...

Let's not pretend one is more important than the other... they support in tandem.

Some countries have thrived economically when social programs were nonexistent.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy

Just for argument's sake, name a few.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

Those banks only gambled so that they could make record profits, unfortunately the people paid for their mistakes. I'd say their gambling was a result of unbridled capitalism but I'm no expert on the issue.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Krazysh0t




Well let's see. Do you think that breaking up a monopoly is an example of free trade?

No, could you provide an example of a socialist policy, for instance collectivized farms or something along those lines.

The New Deal is pretty Socialist in nature. So is our progressive tax rate.

Face facts man. This country isn't totally capitalism in nature. Socialism has helped this country just as much as capitalism has. Just because there isn't pure socialism here doesn't mean it isn't here in some form.


Many would argue those things have hinders us more than they've helped....



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

And many more would argue those people are full of # since our economy was the number one economy in the world with even stricter Socialist policies on the books than we have today.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: butcherguy

Just for argument's sake, name a few.

The United States of America, from inception through the 1920's.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Of course, we never discuss the people who never should have taken out home loans in the first place because they were credit risks, the programs that forced banks to extend those people loans because it was racist not to among other reasons, or any of that other stuff.

We only talk about how the banks handled the bad assets once they'd been forced to acquire them.
edit on 22-9-2017 by ketsuko because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 03:09 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Krazysh0t




Well let's see. Do you think that breaking up a monopoly is an example of free trade?

No, could you provide an example of a socialist policy, for instance collectivized farms or something along those lines.

The New Deal is pretty Socialist in nature. So is our progressive tax rate.

Face facts man. This country isn't totally capitalism in nature. Socialism has helped this country just as much as capitalism has. Just because there isn't pure socialism here doesn't mean it isn't here in some form.


How is it socialist?



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

You don't think the New Deal is a Socialist policy? What would you describe it as then?



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