a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Where is your compassion for the millions of American children with legal parents who do not get an operation because billions of dollars are being
used on illegals and their children?
Where is it? Right here in my heart and soul, EU.
First off, if you think you are going to "catch me out" as lacking compassion for ANYONE not getting treatment they need, then you are simply wrong.
This is a straw man/false argument: "IF you have compassion for this undocumented person THEN you can't possibly have compassion for US citizenry."
That is BS.
I would like to see ALL citizens get proper health care when they need it, including surgeries, chemotherapy, and all manner of "expensive" treatments
as well as basic care, maternity care, etc. AND I would like humanitarian aid offered to those who need it, within our capacity and within reason.
Secondly, you state that giving care to this child and undocumented people in general, that THAT is the reason American citizen's and their children
can't get an operation or their own health care needs met.
You have provided NO proof of this "causality" argument, only stated it as if if were fact. I can see you believe this, but you have not proven it in
The baby, in this case, IS an American citizen by how citizenship is currently determined, regardless of the parents, so Medicaid took on the payment
for this surgery.
How is that wrong?
Let's look at why the teenager didn't get care for a surgery that didn't go right and needs to be corrected.
Let me say again, that this is terrible!! This adult-teen SHOULD be able to get an affordable surgery to correct what went wrong, and the
doctor/surgeon should be able to request that this happen and be able to correct the problem.
You've given me no information on what kind of insurance this family has, (through work, ACA, Medicaid, etc.), nor what state they are in, nor a sense
of the costs involved in getting the corrective surgery.
Bottom line, however, is it is NOT the "fault" of illegal immigrants that this teenager cannot get whole care and is left in pain. This would be
the fault of the Insurance company's rules as to what they will pay for and what they won't.
Put blame where it is actually due.
Thirdly, you have also not provided any real data on your rather broad claim:
There are millions of similar cases all over the U.S. Under Obama billions of dollars were spent on illegals, just because they are a vote for
I understand you believe this to be true, but is it?
1) Is the child in your story not getting health care (additional corrective surgery) because an illegal immigrant or child citizen of an illegal
immigrant IS getting healthcare instead of them?
No. One is not causal to the other. Is money spent on undocumented people and healthcare? Yes. But that is not why x person can't get a surgery.
Also, the baby in the OP story IS a US citizen.
2) is "Obamacare" REALLY handing out "billions" in healthcare to illegal immigrants, because they are
"a vote for Democrats?"
Illegals are voting in large enough numbers to impact elections? Is that what you are saying? It seems like that is what you are saying. I know
there are people who think undocumented people register and vote en-masse, but this is NOT the law of the land and it is illegal for them to vote (as
well as illegal for them to live here). It would also be illegal for anyone involved in the election process to aid and abet undocumented people in
For millions of non-documented people to be voting in US elections, both Republicans and Democrats involved in elections would have to be "in on it."
Is that possible? I don't think so...
Link - Fivethirtyeight "The tangled story behind Trump's false claim of
In 2012, a group of college student journalists reviewed the previous 12 years’ worth of voting fraud cases. Out of 2,068 incidents, they found
56 that involved noncitizen voters, and they were told by their sources that confusion about status was a major factor. You could see that confusion
in action in February, when a 37-year-old Texas woman, who had legal permanent residency status, was convicted of illegally voting in two elections.
She was sentenced to eight years in prison. Her lawyer told reporters that she had a sixth-grade education and didn’t know she wasn’t supposed to
Meanwhile, ProPublica, an investigative journalism project, tweeted that "we had 1,100 people monitoring the vote on Election Day. We saw ... "no
evidence that undocumented immigrants voted illegally."
Experts dismissed the substance of Trump’s claims about the election.
"This is patently false," Costas Panagopoulos, a Fordham University political scientist, told us in November. "There would need to be a massive
national conspiracy and coordination effort to do this, and illegal aliens would need to be on the voter rolls in states across the country months
earlier to be eligible to vote. It is also very convenient the estimated fraudulent vote is just enough to give Trump the popular vote. Not likely a
As to your anecdote, I have very little to go on, but here are some thoughts:
Again, the insurance company is the one doing the denying, based on their internal rules and what is legal for them to deny.
If this is a real story and/or you know someone going through a similar problem:
The parents have some options - they need to talk to a hospital social worker to start with, as it is possible the surgery could be done for a greatly
reduced cost. The Insurance company may only be denying due to how the surgery "need" was coded on the request form - this happens ALL THE TIME and
can be corrected by the doctor and resubmitted. I've personally dealt with this multiple times with my son's care. The parents could also speak to
the state's Insurance Commissioner to see if they are being fairly treated by the insurance company. Without more information than that, I cannot
give any more advice on how that family could advocate with the hospital and the insurance company without knowing actual details.
ANYONE who tells you that US kids and teens, or adults for that matter, can't get needed surgeries or chemo or whatever expensive thing it is
"illegal immigrants sucking up healthcare dollars" is simply WRONG or has an anti-immigrant political agenda (i.e. they are lying).
That's not how it works AT ALL.
And just to be clear, undocumented immigrants are not, as a rule, covered under the ACA/Obamacare law:
Link - PANTS ON FIRE
"Illegal immigrants are covered under the health care law"
edit on 24-9-2017 by AboveBoard because: non-derailment
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