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ICE arrests parents at Childs hospital before surgery but that is not my concern

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posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: FHomerK

By your logic the laws are absolute.

If there was a law said that FHomerK must kill himself or submit himself to the authorities for execution, would you follow it?

Would you try and change the law (with the knowledge that you would be long dead before any change occurred)?

Either you're a true nationalist patriot and you'd off yourself, or you're a hypocrite who runs like a coward because laws are only valuable when they cause someone else to suffer.




posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:04 PM
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originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: FHomerK

By your logic the laws are absolute.

If there was a law said that FHomerK must kill himself or submit himself to the authorities for execution, would you follow it?

Would you try and change the law (with the knowledge that you would be long dead before any change occurred)?

Either you're a true nationalist patriot and you'd off yourself, or you're a hypocrite who runs like a coward because laws are only valuable when they cause someone else to suffer.



It's quite simple actually. I have done things that society deems unacceptable, and I have paid the price according to those laws. As a responsible adult, I decide whether I am going to follow those laws or run the risk of being caught violating those laws. I disagree with many laws. But, they are OUR laws in america. You don't come to america wanting to be part of the country by first deciding that certain laws don't pertain to you.

Your argument, is ludicrous. We have laws. We have ways to change laws. Until the laws are changed, they must be followed..... or are you trying to say that it's ok for you to steal someone's identity because you don't have as much money as you'd like to have, and you cannot wait until that law is changed in your favor?

Get to reality before you come to the adult table. There's a reason why we keep the kids separate.




edit on 22-9-2017 by FHomerK because: You're so caught up in the feel good aspect of it you don't even realize your arguing up the wrong freaking tree....



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:04 PM
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originally posted by: FHomerK
words words words

I remember when I too once thought it was downright nifty to have high morals, and to have them selectively.


this is hardly the only issue i care about, not sure why you think any of those things are either/or. i can care about our vets, our homeless, our homeless vets, our hungry working poor, AND a situation like this.

it's not that difficult a concept. not sure why you have trouble with it.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: fiverx313



I'm sure that blood engorged heart of yours has plenty of blood to spill, selectively, for the things you truly do care about!

And more importantly, when it's convenient for you to care about. Hence, tha feelz.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: FHomerK


Enjoy being detained by I.C.E..

Suppose I know some people who work for DHS?
I would be connected. And not detained by ICE.

Gotta go now.
edit on 22-9-2017 by pthena because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: FHomerK

I don't think you have any idea what even goes on at the 'adults table'.

Also it is pretty telling that you choose not to answer the questions (primarily because it makes you look even more like a loon).

I guess I'll have to spell this out really simply and succinctly for an 'adult' such as yourself to understand it.

Lets say you are a Filipino man living in the Philippines, and your step brother is dealing drugs out of the house you share. Rodrigo Duterte just made legal the extra-judicial killings of all drug dealers and their associates without repercussion. Since your step brother fits that target, and you by living with him are an associate, the lawful thing to do would be to kill your brother, then yourself, or turn both of yourselves in for execution.

As I mentioned earlier, any attempts to change the law would have an effect long after your death. If you feel that merely being associated to a drug dealer by proximity is worthy of death, this should be a pretty simple answer for you. If you don't believe that living in close proximity to a drug dealer makes you an associate deserving of death, then you either get to pay the price for a law you don't agree with (and at least stick to your principles) or you get to run away like (as I suspect) a spineless coward who talks a big talk when its other people who are suffering from a law, but can't handle the big boy pants and responsibility when he's the target of it.

Failure to answer this is admission that you lack the mental capacity to understand the question, or are so hypocritically blinded to your situation that your subconscious won't let you hurt yourself by the realization.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:13 PM
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originally posted by: fiverx313
it's not that difficult a concept. not sure why you have trouble with it.


Well, I don't think Occam would have kind words for our friend here.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:17 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

a reply to: FHomerK

You violate the T&C when you make it personal.

Something that may help elucidate: Courtesy Is Mandatory, Go After The Ball And Not The Player

RE: knowing you....same here. I have had people I care about on both sides of this issue impacted. Both in my family, and my wifes. Its irrelevant to this conversation.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

Well, here's an unpopular opinion for you. The US has operated with a near Open Borders policy since the 1970's. So, a lot of people immigrated illegally. Why?

Because the laws that existed over the years were not enforced! Why?

Because Democrat Administrations wanted more new voters and Republican Administrations, supported by big business wanted low wage workers.

Then comes Trump and ICE is all over up with enforcing the law and tragedies like this occur and people who were dragged into the country by their parents as children now find themselves subject to deportation.

So for the 4/8 years we have Trump..........deportation chaos and round-ups of "illegals".

Then..........a Democrat gets elected and its back to open borders.

So, in the final analysis, what exactly is being accomplished? We get 8 years of chaos and insecurity and end up right back where it all started.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

By not answering your silly and hypothetical questions, I am merely exhibiting free will.

Hopefully, "you can't make me", is succinct enough for you.

Now, as for the adult table....


Come talk to me, when your child has been kidnapped and taken to another country illegally.

Come talk to me, when you find out that the Department of State and the other country's equivalent branch says "sure, must suck to be you, but if you cannot afford to fight a legal battle on two continents, there is nothing we can do to help you.".

And finally, come and talk to me when you have to sit down and make the decision that although your gut is bleeding out in absolute tormented pain over the matter, that the "option" to go to another country and break their laws because what has happened to you is unfair isn't really an option at all.

Then, and only then, will you possibly be able to understand my stance on this. In the meantime, this conversation and your pathetic attempt at "logic" is over.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: FHomerK
a reply to: fiverx313
I'm sure that blood engorged heart of yours has plenty of blood to spill, selectively, for the things you truly do care about!

And more importantly, when it's convenient for you to care about. Hence, tha feelz.


so you just have some sort of vague hostility towards me for caring about something you don't want me to care about.

got it. sorry you feel that way.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

Meh ice is a con. He didn't expand the courts before starting the process making an even worse logjam and I am not convinced he is willing to go after employers.

So maybe they come in semi's and hand made submarines like the drugs instead. And they bust a few hundred every month for the illusion of progress.
edit on 22-9-2017 by luthier because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

That was my first thought, too.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

The media always find a way to spin the stories they think have the most impact for those that are looking for this type of news.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: luthier

Very true and the only thing that will be accomplished is to provide fuel for the Open Borders/Amnesty advocates. And hey, you know, at this point, after 50 years of Open Borders, what does it really matter anyway. If the situation is looked at logically, the new fact I learned is that the US birth rate has fallen below replacement level. The only way to keep the ponzi scheme of endless economic growth IS thru Open Borders. The shame of it though is that rather than openning the doors to the best and brightest of the world has to offer, we make it more difficult for them to come into the country, starving the Tech industries, all the while the uneducated and drug dealers continue unabated but for a hiccup here and there. Its really strange to me that the government almost always chooses the most expensive, least effective and least efficient policy choice. Ridiculous.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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Of course I can't make you. As an adult I would have expected you to know that already. However, it is also tacit admission that you lack the mental capacity to understand the question, or are so hypocritically blinded to your situation that your subconscious won't let you hurt yourself by the realization.

As for your sob story; all it shows is that as a human being, you've been hurt by a seemingly unfair situation, and therefore want to enforce your brand of 'justice and sense' upon the world. Its marvelous evidence to explain why you hold such an odious position.

I am sympathetic to the potential injustice you feel your suffered, and I would proffer the admonition that the truly 'just' thing to do would have been to help you with your situation specifically and not following a strict 'zero tolerance - the law is the law' policy that seems to have conscripted you into the same nefarious mindset that set it in motion initially.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

That was my first thought, too.


ffs, if you've seen any other posts of mine you might've noticed i complain about a lot of american horse#



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Well, thank you for following your rules.


Now, the only thing "personal" I can think of is my I rational use of sarcasm with the notion of "feelz".

I said nothing disparaging to you. Nor would I as I don't know you.

I have simply espoused my belief that we should follow the law. I said nothing about keeping laws or the correctness of the law. It is the law that we have.

Just like the t&c that we have here on ARE.

I'll be the first to say that if I offended you i apologize as it was not my intent. But I will also say that I've seen far more scathing comments go by without notice or involvement of moderators. And those comments, in my opinion were not out of line either.

This is a heated and personal topic. I have no recourse to being in my child's life on a regular basis that is legal. Am I breaking the law? No. Do I want to? Yes. Am I doing it? No.

So you see that is my stance and where I am coming from.

To those of you that are of a delicate nature who feel I offended, my apologies.

But I've got news for everyone... it is a heated and important topic. If you are all honest with yourselves you'll realize that nothing I've said is as heated or uncivil as what you are going to hear in the real world.

Thank you for your time. It's clear nobody here will be leaving with anything other than the thoughts and leanings they came in with.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

My sob story?


Wow.


Come back when you've figures out what the real world is all about.


Ciao.



posted on Sep, 22 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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a reply to: SR1TX

That's the one that gets to me too. " They" should respect borders. We cross oceans and deserts to cross borders uninvited.



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