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NIBIRU WATCH- ATS-ers Down Under 9/21 And On

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posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 10:47 PM
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a reply to: prevenge

Hundreds of millions of amateur astronomers out there.

Hundreds of thousands of actual astronomers out there.

Many, many, many universities with their own observatories.

You can't keep celestial objects in the sky secret. There are way, way too many eyes and cameras looking up and out.




posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 07:49 AM
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originally posted by: TerminalVelocity
a reply to: prevenge

Hundreds of millions of amateur astronomers out there.

Hundreds of thousands of actual astronomers out there.

Many, many, many universities with their own observatories.

You can't keep celestial objects in the sky secret. There are way, way too many eyes and cameras looking up and out.



Never let common sense get in the way of pushing a false narrative for a bit of notoriety and likes on the YouTube. I don't like that knowledge is controlled by pretentious governing bodies. But I don't like truth movements with no ability to root out those that would exploit the gullible for personal fame and notoriety........
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posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 06:56 PM
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originally posted by: prevenge

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: prevenge

Ok, so they were able to detect a planet that was super dark, outside our solar system, but they can't find one that is supposedly within the orbit of our planetary system? The exact same ways they used to find that planet would work just as well in our solar system too.


Honestly now,
How exactly do you think the Breaking News of such a "New Discovery" would fare in our already chaotic world?
How bout that US Dollar value? How bout all those Wall Street "sells" simultaneously downing the phone grid.

"How Bout"... The psychological trauma it would cause to your family and friends if they were not already adjusted to the potential effects of such a celestial passing?

I doubt any of these scenarios really find us well.

More so, nor should we expect any "hypothetical" (lulz) agencies that "allegedly" already been monitoring such an object(s) for a good part of over a quarter of a century, to Find That Information "Well"...

Upon its "hypothetical" INEVITABLE arrival...
Ones in charge of releasing and/or preventing spread of such dire news would undoubtedly deny.

What good would that cause?
ZERO.

so, since that logic is sound..

One can surmise that the drip drop of the "Hey! It's DIFFICULT to identify "Dark" objects!" pantomime would aid in the answers to the millions of rabid Press Conference Inquizition as to how they couldn't possibly have detected it until NOW.

We JUST NOW developed this tech to spy these things as they closely orbit their OWN star.. As their silhouette regularly may obscure it Predictively...

Such is not the technique useable on a member of the Solar System.

We're not under the conviction that it's out there and haven't been able to detect it.

It's of the line of thought that if/when it WAS discovered...
It was within the good of the world to NOT disclose it.

Nobody's kids need to know Awesome Uncle Roy dressed in lady's clothes... After his passing.
Lets not ruin the NOW...

...until it's "TIME".

the logic is sound.



THIS is what this site is about!
Star for you



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 06:58 PM
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a reply to: grindhouzer

Yea. Except that at some point everyone is going to see a new thing in the sky. Everyone.

And, if it's as big as they say, everyone is going to see it a long while before it arrives.



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 07:29 PM
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originally posted by: prevenge

...We JUST NOW developed this tech to spy these things as they closely orbit their OWN star.. As their silhouette regularly may obscure it Predictively...

Such is not the technique useable on a member of the Solar System.
..




We don't need the same techniques we use to find exoplanets or other objects around other stars to see a brown dwarf (or "dark star") in our own solar system if it were inside the orbits of the known planets. We would simply see it being lit by the sun. If it were a brown dwarf or other large body, it would still be visible from earth (probably even with the naked eye if it were a brown dwarf) when the sun shined on it.

Even if it was similar to that coal-black exoplanet you mentioned above, if it were anywhere near us, it would be visibly lit by the Sun.

Let's take our own Moon, for example. The actual color of the Moon is a dark grey -- the color of the asphalt in a parking lot/car park. However, when the sun shines on it, it reflects that Sun in a manner that the Moon almost looks white. When the sun shines on the black asphalt of a car park, it looks pretty light. When the sun shines on coal, for that matter, it looks relatively light in color.

Granted, the Moon is close to us, but it is also small. Let's put an Earth-sized black object like that out by Jupiter, and it would most likely be visible from Earth when lit by the Sun. Think about the four Galilean moons of Jupiter; they are visible with just a cheap pair of binoculars -- and the largest one is less than half the size of Earth.

Actually, if it weren't for the glare of Jupiter, the four small Galilean moons would be visible to the naked eye from Earth on a clear dark night (barely, but visible).


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posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 10:22 PM
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The most compulsive evidence for Nibiru is Cassini.
Why did it die deliberately? Why not continue out further,
devil may care?

It seems the answer to 'why" is they are hiding something.



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posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 10:23 PM
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a reply to: ThatHappened

Because it was in orbit around Saturn?
Wait, you're serious?



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: grindhouzer

Yea. Except that at some point everyone is going to see a new thing in the sky. Everyone.

And, if it's as big as they say, everyone is going to see it a long while before it arrives.


Of course.

Common sense does not elude my grasp.
And it hadn't my entire time discussing this.

There are KNOWN knows, unknown knowns
And unknown UNKNOWNS.

There just... ARE.
They ...EXIST. they always HAVE.
and always WILL.

Things SO far "out there" that we haven't seen them until they're in our face.

And we as humans, will no doubt, always confir that we have the upper hand in knowledge, for the sake of confidence, security. We will argue to limitless bounds that we "have it under control"...that nothing could fool us...

... That we couldn't have the wool pulled over or eyes...

Ever. For the sake of personal pride.

Which is stupid. And non scientific.

These unknown unknowns, in order to be considered...
Require the courageous mind to ask "WHAT IF"

and that eventually invoke thoughts not in line with common societal norms. Ones which get billed towards kooky and nonsense..
However that does not scientifically define them as impossible... Or not without merit to consider...
Especially when other elements "suggest" their existence.

This type of deduction and variable hypothesis has been at the forefront of military tactics since Sun Tzu.
"Assume the enemy has thought of what you're thinking...but also assume the enemy has thought of what you HAVEN'T thought of"

Say... "What if"...the orbit of said object is so perfectly vectored that it's approach would be blocked from earthly eyes by other bodies...including the Sun, and earth.. And Moon..
....Approaching from the south in an orbit almost perpendicular to our own..mathematically exact as to block any direct observation of its approach?

I mean ...I can do that with the 3D animation applications I use for work.

"What if" there are other ancient intelligences that have "civilization 2 or 3" level experience and tech as to play with celestial physics as a child does with building blocks?

"What if" on the only planet in existence ( that the public is aware of) with intelligent life on it...the variable needed to observe celestial phenomena..is also the only planet I existence that weve known of, who's ONLY "natural" satellite perfectly masks it's line of sight from its only natural source of light during eclipses...
...
....Two very rare variables that seem to have coincided at the only place in an infinite universe where the coincidence could be observed..

"What if"
...
Said hypothetical ancient intelligences have a plan for the passing of one of their "building blocks" to another... Once every cycle of civilization on their "crop".
If said intelligence was to approach, and have celestial control, then would or wouldn't it be in everybody's favor,that they calculate...DESIGN their orbital vector to act In the most effective manner possible?

Would a "stealth" approach act in accordance with such efficiency?
....Or would a random, obvious, and unorchestrated approach, one with incalcuable amounts of hazardous variables counter to said achievement, be in both parties favor?

"What if" the moon was directed into its current vector to achieve its exact RARE results?
"What if" Nibiru is directed into its current vector to achieve its exact RARE results?

I devoutly hold the conviction that arguing AGAINST unknown unknowns in a knee jerked reactionary refusal manner, because of our own conditioning of what is possible and impossible in this reality...

Is utterly insane... And dangerous.

Who gets it..
...The historic admiral that suggested the enemy came from beneath, and thus won the war?
...Or the admirals that scoffed at the first and were sunk by these ridiculous new "torpedoes" they'd been joking about....

There's a reason for mass-strata deep underground infrastructure.
And im sure their IMMENSE funding was allocated due to SOUND LOGIC.

$500 hammers people... $2000 toilets.... $2 trillion missing on 9/10/01
... Am I surrounded by blind men...


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posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 10:27 PM
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a reply to: prevenge

I could say "what the hell are you talking about" to each of your points.

But what's the point?

Nibiru is not coming. Trust me.



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 10:34 PM
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Of course they'd see it long
before Johnny and his iphone
"captures" it.
I'll second the Nibiru is NOT
arriving sentiment.
Sleep well.



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 11:12 PM
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a reply to: ThatHappened

It certainly couldn't be because it wasn't designed to go out farther. I mean the idea that it was only meant to orbit Saturn couldn't be the answer.



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: prevenge

Ok, so it's hiding behind other bodies, but is perpendicular to our orbit. How exactly does that work?



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Pretty damned well, apparently.



posted on Sep, 30 2017 @ 11:16 PM
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a reply to: Phage

I guess that whole "orbital plane" thing is one of those known unknowns.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 01:04 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: prevenge

Ok, so it's hiding behind other bodies, but is perpendicular to our orbit. How exactly does that work?


Ok beeblebrax...
Say you're in a moving car
And you're trying to look at a beautiful lady
But that damn lamp post is IN JUST the perfect position,
And her walking speed, and your driver's driving speed
...are JUUUST coincidentally at such a PERFECT RATIO...
...
...that the lamp post completely obscures your line of sight of the beautiful lady...

...that ever happen to you? I bet it has sometime in your life..
(Unless you don't drive in cars or don't like beautiful ladies)
..had happened to me plenty of times...

What if your driver was your WIFE...
And she intentionally slowed the car to that PERFECT speed...so you couldn't see her...just to spite you...
...or to save your mairrage lol..

Or the lady didn't want your prying eyes oogling her so she slowed down or sped up...so you couldn't see her...

That metaphor suggests direct percievable velocity change of orbital masses ... Not saying exactly that...
But PREDICTIVELY... These constant velocities (or steadily increasing on Nibiru's part) were calculated and implemented to achieve the desired effect of blocking line of sight...

...the seal doesn't see the shark approaching from beneath...
Because the seal doesn't have eyes on its tail (Antarctica nod) ..or does it?...
...and those eyes aren't telling the seal what they see...

Exhaustingly explaining hypothetical obvious potentials increases consideration of the limits of the audience's ability for extrapolative contemplation.
Dearly Disenchantingly Disappointing.

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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 01:05 AM
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You know that people live in the southern hemisphere?
Lots of them.

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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 01:32 AM
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Except for the really minor fact that everything that your planet can hide behind is at the same level as the earth.


All of the planets, comets, and asteroids in the solar system are in orbit around the Sun. All of those orbits line up with each other making a kind of flat disk called the orbital plane. The planets all orbit on or near one plane in space like the picture above.

www.qrg.northwestern.edu...

So if all the large objects in the solar system are on the same plane, what is it hiding behind? There is nothing "south" of us to block our line of sight, therefore, nothing for it to hide behind. And there are probably millions of telescopes of all kinds in the southern hemisphere. Anything that can be seen from the South Pole, can be seen from the entire Southern Hemisphere.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 07:36 AM
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Just as the Moon blocks our line of sight from something as massive in space as our Sun during eclipses...

AS DOES THE SUN.

The Sun is ALWAYS blocking our line of sight, constantly, from a great many things.

And I doubt STEREO A & B imagery will not be vetted.

Oh btw, don't look at the Sun.
Ever.
You will grow hair on your thumbs.

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posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 07:52 AM
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Nope. That does not work.

The only way anything could "hide" behind the sun is if it had the EXACT same orbit as the Earth around the sun, but be located 180 degrees from us...any closer to the sun and it would orbit faster and not stay there.....any further from the sun and it would orbit slower and be seen by us (orbital mechanics 101).

But even if it orbited the sun exactly like the Earth but 180 degrees out, that will not keep it hidden.....nor would it ever, ever, ever be able to approach our planet.

Solar satellites would have spotted it.

A multitude of space probes sent by several space agencies would have spotted it.

 


Anything in the southern hemisphere's sky can be seen by anyone located in the southern hemisphere. Unless again, it's something very small located only a few miles above the south pole.

Again: no mater how dark it's surface, it would still absorb heat from the sun and radiate it out in infrared. The closer to the sun, the brighter this infrared would be.



posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 08:22 AM
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The Earth revolves around the Sun once per year. In a month or so, we will be in a new position that will allow us to see what is behind the Sun relative to where we are now. A month or so ago, we were previously in a position that allowed us to see what was behind the Sun relative to where we are now.

And as "TerminalVelocity" mentioned above, a hypothetical planet that was always 180 degrees from the Sun at all times would stay there and not bother us...

...But we know there is no such planet, anyway. The orbits of the planets are a great "balancing act", and those orbits have been settled into after billions of years of achieving that balance. The orbits of Venus and Mars depend greatly on the orbit of Earth (and vice versa), as Venus swings past the Earth every 583 days, and as Earth swings past Mars every 780 days.

So if another planet were hiding on the exact other side of the sun in an orbit that exactly matched Earth's, the presence of that planet would become evident every time it got close to Mars and Venus -- evident on the orbits of Mars and Venus. There is no such evidence in those planets' orbits.


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