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Puerto Rico is 100% without power after Hurricane Maria — here's why that's a huge problem

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posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: staticfl

originally posted by: amazing
Still not sure why we don't let it become a state. It basically is a state, but territory status give the federal government all of the benefits and them none of the benefits.


They didnt want to pay federal income taxes so they voted against it. Cant have it both ways.


That's not true.

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

Voters voted to become a state. It's our government that stops them. We get a benefit to them being a territory.




posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
That's not true.

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

Voters voted to become a state. It's our government that stops them. We get a benefit to them being a territory.


I thought PR voted it down? Regardless, I think party politics are at work here. PR would lean strongly Democrat, it would be 10+ house seats and 2 senators that are Democrat safe zones. Statehood would result in a strong shift in the balance of power in the US.

Though, that might be inevitable anyways, if 1 million residents flee PR for Florida, Florida will cease to be a red leaning swing state and be firmly blue.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 01:39 PM
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a reply to: Dutchowl

I live in Appalachia. It desperately needs better education. Coal country needs job retraining, by force if necessary.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 01:47 PM
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those that think trump and the majority of republicans who control congress, want to help Puerto Rico before Texas and Florida are brought back up to speed, are kidding themselves



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 01:48 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx
those that think trump and the majority of republicans who control congress, want to help Puerto Rico before Texas and Florida are brought back up to speed, are kidding themselves


I honestly don't think Trump realizes that Puerto Rico is an American territory. We have the resources, we should be able to help them all at once.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: jimmyx

The media paints this in its own fashion - plenty being done with what's available.

It's an island and air assets even going around clock are but drop in bucket of need for 3+ million people. Might be able to keep limited things going like hospitals but not much beyond that just due sheer tonnage really needed.

Ships take time to load, time to travel and time to unload. This is only real way enough gets delivered to make actual dent in need.

Making sure port facilities are operational and then distributing supplies is going to be monumental task.

You folks can try politicizing when you can demonstrate ships not being loaded, ships not enroute and ships not docking.

Otherwise you are just making noise over a very difficult task ahead.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: Phoenix

Sorry, this is Trumps Katrina. Not only did he mess it up, he seems to be completely oblivious as to what's going on. He's barely even mentioning it, he would rather tell the NFL what they can and can't do.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

the two really are not comparable, Post Katrina lots of flooding but primary infrastructure was still in place.

If what I read on Puerto Rico, large segments of primary infrastructure are gone, on top of heavy flooding, and on top of logistical problems, on top of legal problems since its a territory not a state.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: Irishhaf

The only difference that I see is one of scale. I'm willing to give Trump a big pass due to the scale of the problem. New Oreleans was a 300k person city. Puerto Rico is 4 million people, and geographically much larger than 10x the size.

However, he's basically ignoring the problem. I know that it's not something that can be fixed overnight. The issue is that he's not even trying. He's barely mentioning it in the news, and would rather go on about North Korea and the NFL.

And that is why I say this is Trumps Katrina. There is large scale mismanagement going on, with the problem being ignored. We've sent carrier groups to countries before to help out with disasters. Why can't we do that now? Lets leverage out military and start the rebuilding process. Instead, FEMA is doing relatively little and Trump isn't directing any additional aid.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Phoenix

Sorry, this is Trumps Katrina. Not only did he mess it up, he seems to be completely oblivious as to what's going on. He's barely even mentioning it, he would rather tell the NFL what they can and can't do.


Sorry, but the response and bankrupt thought process behind it is just sickening.

It's noise till you and ilk can provide some proof rather than spouting ignorant statements.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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It's typical that one has to go foreign media for story,

Guardian


The aid effort quickened with the opening of the island’s main port in the capital, San Juan, allowing 11 ships to bring in 1.6 million gallons of water, 23,000 cots, dozens of generators and food. Dozens more shipments are expected in upcoming days.


Like said earlier it's an ISLAND and takes time to gather supplies on mainland, load, ship, unload. That's all gotta happen before local distribution.

Yall can attempt politiciting but doesn't change logistics one iota.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Phoenix

Sorry, this is Trumps Katrina. Not only did he mess it up, he seems to be completely oblivious as to what's going on. He's barely even mentioning it, he would rather tell the NFL what they can and can't do.

Huh? It's Trump's fault that Puerto Rico's electrical infrastructure was seemingly built out of toothpicks and sewing thread, and even the tropical storm-force winds from Irma passing nearby were enough to trash it for a third of the population?

Sorry, but no. They're responding as best as they can. You can't preposition a new power infrastructure.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Phoenix

Sorry, this is Trumps Katrina. Not only did he mess it up, he seems to be completely oblivious as to what's going on. He's barely even mentioning it, he would rather tell the NFL what they can and can't do.

Huh? It's Trump's fault that Puerto Rico's electrical infrastructure was seemingly built out of toothpicks and sewing thread, and even the tropical storm-force winds from Irma passing nearby were enough to trash it for a third of the population?

Sorry, but no. They're responding as best as they can. You can't preposition a new power infrastructure.


It's his fault that they're not being more on the ball with fixing it.

twitter.com...

There's not even an aid bill for any funding going into Congress for 3 more weeks.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 04:41 PM
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Water and sanitation are the most important things right now and lack of those basic items will kill more than the hurricanes ever could.

No its not Trumps fault that PR's infrastructure is a mess, however, he is in charge of the response and even if he has done everything 100% percent right (and no president does) he needs to stay off twitter and concentrate on NK and the recover of the US and her territories following this series of disasters



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: Phoenix

Like said earlier it's an ISLAND and takes time to gather supplies on mainland, load, ship, unload. That's all gotta happen before local distribution.

Yall can attempt politiciting but doesn't change logistics one iota.


Thats why you move all available USN Carrier / you can spare to the area. They can coordinate distribution via choppers and Nimitz class CVN's have the ability to produce an excess of 200,000 gallons of water per day above internal need that can distributed.

Right now there is one in the area.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 04:48 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

The other President could only golf, yuck it up, or do nations business - one at a time, not two and certainly not three things simultaneously lol.

You're just jealous we picked a guy who can expertly govern, tweet and delegate simultaneously.

First it was Harvey = Trumps Katrina

Then it was,

IRMA = Trumps Katrina

Now it's Maria = Trumps Katrina

Don't you guys get tired of failure? and being shown wrong side of issues constantly?

We're Trump go on TV tonight and implore people for more help in Puerto Rico you'd then say he was grandstanding and taking advantage of situation to gain political points.

Basically ya'll are full of "snip"

Trump has no need to pander your idea of response which is flat earth type, single issue type response when he has FEMA, Navy, Coast Guard, Private interests and many others moving full steam ahead.

The type response not needed is one his predecessor would make which denotes lack of governance abilities - ie: stop the presses, hold all other business cause Welp I'm busy type business and really need a golf outing to clear my head response.

Suck a lemon and watch.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: amazing
That's not true.

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

Voters voted to become a state. It's our government that stops them. We get a benefit to them being a territory.


I thought PR voted it down? Regardless, I think party politics are at work here. PR would lean strongly Democrat, it would be 10+ house seats and 2 senators that are Democrat safe zones. Statehood would result in a strong shift in the balance of power in the US.

Though, that might be inevitable anyways, if 1 million residents flee PR for Florida, Florida will cease to be a red leaning swing state and be firmly blue.


That doesn't really matter. We have enough moderate voters that will vote for a conservative politician. We did that we Reagan and George Bush Sr and Jr.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 05:27 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan
It looks like France is setting the bar on this one.



It is not going to be an easy fix for any of the countries involved.

Rebuilding is not going to happen overnight. I hope they learned something from their mistakes in Haiti. The first thing they have to do is to work with the people on the island before they start shipping in a bunch of outside contractors. Outside contractors work to the benefit of big business instead of the benefit of the people. They need to keep as much of the money, work, and decision making, on the island as possible.

The people need rebuilding of spirit as much as rebuilding of infrastructure. The more they are involved, and the more they are engaged, the faster the progress will go.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 06:02 PM
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a reply to: FredT

FredT, that's fine and dandy - got a spare carrier laying around?

The active carriers are all deployed in places to far away to make much difference - besides what do you propose, pulling one from the Mediterranean area and leave strategic concerns unanswered? Uncovered.

The rest are Norfolk under various levels of refit and cannot deploy.

You're giving kind of false impression that available carriers are not being utilized when they indeed are.

Can you define one that's not far away, nOT under refit and is available for help in PR?



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: Phoenix


There are a lot of fresh water wells in Puerto Rico, and Walmart stated in a press release that they have generators on the way to run the pumps. 200,000 gallons a day isn't much compared to what you can get with $20,000 worth of Buffalo Tool and some rudimentary water filter equipment.




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