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The Plague of Politically (in)Correctness

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posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: Abysha

Being anti PC doesn't automatically equate to being disrespectful. You seem to be bringing that up a lot, which is exactly what I'm trying to say with this thread.

It's not either or, or just black or white.

Being anti-PC does not make me pro-disrespect. It makes me pro-freedom. Being anti-PC can be disrespectful sure, but it isn't trying to supress anyone, and if it does reach that, I would denounce that as well. PC by its nature is supression and thats why I critisize it.


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posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 06:20 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986



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Political Correctness should be labeled for what it actually is. In my opinion, a mental illness. Trying to imagine them taking a movie Kurt Russell did and turning it into a PC version to appease the s flakes.
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posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: fiverx313

I recall the days when a school could have a cougar as a mascot without worrying about offending older women.

Thanks, political correctness!



posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 06:52 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: Abysha

Being anti PC doesn't automatically equate to being disrespectful. You seem to be bringing that up a lot, which is exactly what I'm trying to say with this thread.

It's not either or, or just black or white.

Being anti-PC does not make me pro-disrespect. It makes me pro-freedom. Being anti-PC can be disrespectful sure, but it isn't trying to supress anyone, and if it does reach that, I would denounce that as well. PC by its nature is supression and thats why I critisize it.




But how is criticizing your words "suppression"? Do you not see the double standard in being disrespectful and then getting upset about being criticized for it, claiming free speech?

Short of governments telling you that you cannot say a particular thing, why aren't you championing my free speech when criticizing disrespectful behavior?

In other words, you still haven't explained why you feel disrespect is more defensible than criticism of that disrespect.



posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 06:56 PM
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a reply to: Abysha

It goes beyond just mentioning that you think this or that is disrespectful though. Representing it as such is disingenuous at best.

If the only problem is that some people thought this or that speech was disrespectful and simply said so, then why would a school bother to change a cougar mascot *before* anyone actually complained about it because they were so worried it *might* offend older women?

A school isn't going to go out of its way like that unless people who find something to be un-PC are doing far more than simply criticizing those things they think are disrespectful, and you know it.



posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 07:09 PM
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originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: Abysha

Being anti PC doesn't automatically equate to being disrespectful. You seem to be bringing that up a lot, which is exactly what I'm trying to say with this thread.

It's not either or, or just black or white.

Being anti-PC does not make me pro-disrespect. It makes me pro-freedom. Being anti-PC can be disrespectful sure, but it isn't trying to supress anyone, and if it does reach that, I would denounce that as well. PC by its nature is supression and thats why I critisize it.



But how is criticizing your words "suppression"? Do you not see the double standard in being disrespectful and then getting upset about being criticized for it, claiming free speech?

Short of governments telling you that you cannot say a particular thing, why aren't you championing my free speech when criticizing disrespectful behavior?

In other words, you still haven't explained why you feel disrespect is more defensible than criticism of that disrespect.

What double standard? Nowhere am I trying to take away your right to critisize. I'm merely giving my opinion on the PC culture.

I don't need to champion your free speech in order to accept it, nor am I trying to take that away from you.

I will always defend your right to critisize, but it's not going to change my opinion.



In other words, you still haven't explained why you feel disrespect is more defensible than criticism of that disrespect.

Because the very nature of PC is censorship. Like I said earlier, being anti-PC doesn't mean pro-disrespect. Are you ignoring this part on purpose?



posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: Abysha

Could it be as simple as one ideal telling someone what to think versus the other ideal that lets people figure it out on their own?

I envision PC thought eventually leading to institutions and even governments outlawing free speech. Like Canada is trying to do with gender pronouns. PC plays right into the hands of those that want to remove freedom and expression.

Why is there no responsibility placed on the person that is getting upset hearing words they disagree with?

What would happen if in some bizarro world where PC was flipped 180 degrees and instead of being about all inclusiveness and fantasy land, it was the opposite. If it was about not lying and telling everyone your honest opinion regardless of feelings, would you still support it?

Why not?



posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 08:08 PM
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Jesus Christ. What are you snowflakes whining about now? It's odd, I dgaf about this nonsense. I pay almost no attention to "political correctness."

Yet somehow, I have yet to be visited by these menacing PC police you lot are constantly yammering about.

Please give me some examples of things that you've wanted to say that you were prevented from saying because of "political correctness." Let's just get it all out right here and now. Purge away my friends and I, the big bad libtard, will protect you if the PC police show up.

Alas, I think it's about 90% bull# from people who like to whine.

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posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Do you think a school should have to worry about whether or not its cougar mascot will be offensive to older women so much that it feels it should change it?
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posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Sorry Ante, but you alone do not represent society. Stop being disingenuous and pretending like there isn't a PC culture.

Also, being PC goes far beyond just language.



posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 08:34 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: Abysha

Being anti PC doesn't automatically equate to being disrespectful. You seem to be bringing that up a lot, which is exactly what I'm trying to say with this thread.

It's not either or, or just black or white.

Being anti-PC does not make me pro-disrespect. It makes me pro-freedom. Being anti-PC can be disrespectful sure, but it isn't trying to supress anyone, and if it does reach that, I would denounce that as well. PC by its nature is supression and thats why I critisize it.



But how is criticizing your words "suppression"? Do you not see the double standard in being disrespectful and then getting upset about being criticized for it, claiming free speech?

Short of governments telling you that you cannot say a particular thing, why aren't you championing my free speech when criticizing disrespectful behavior?

In other words, you still haven't explained why you feel disrespect is more defensible than criticism of that disrespect.

What double standard? Nowhere am I trying to take away your right to critisize. I'm merely giving my opinion on the PC culture.

I don't need to champion your free speech in order to accept it, nor am I trying to take that away from you.

I will always defend your right to critisize, but it's not going to change my opinion.



In other words, you still haven't explained why you feel disrespect is more defensible than criticism of that disrespect.

Because the very nature of PC is censorship. Like I said earlier, being anti-PC doesn't mean pro-disrespect. Are you ignoring this part on purpose?



So... in other words, you find disrespect more agreeable with criticism of disrespect because you assume that having politically correct ideas (which used to be primarily conservative ideas, fyi) equals censorship.

Why can't it just mean what it does? Which is criticism.



posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 08:43 PM
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a reply to: Abysha

I'm not sure why you keep bringing up disrespect. It seems you think that being anti-PC means I'm going to be disrespectful and raise my kids to be assholes. I would carry myself and raise my children no differently than you would.

Again, I said you are entitled to your opinion, and therefore the right to critisize, just as I am. I'm not sure what you want me to say.

My opinion that PC is censorship doesn't change based on the criticism my assertion recieves.



posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

I am guessing that disrespect keeps coming up because for the PC police, merely uttering certain ideas, no matter how they are uttered, is considered disrespectful.

That's part of the crux of the deal.

It has gone from speech uttered in hatred or with disrespectful intent to speech that makes someone feel as if they have been disrespected just because they don't like hearing what you have said, no matter what your intent was when you said it.



posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I think the problem is the incapability to see beyond black and white.

Just like the notion of PC only encompassing language.

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posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: theantediluvian

Do you think a school should have to worry about whether or not its cougar mascot will be offensive to older women so much that it feels it should change it?


Not at all. In fact, I went to a school whose mascot was a cougar, just like it is at hundreds, if not thousands of US K12 schools. IIRC, what you're referring to took place at a high school a few years back? They were changing their mascot and asked the kids to vote for a name and that's the one that narrowly won? A few people emailed school administration to complain?

Perhaps it was some angry women upset at finding cougar porn in their husbands' search histories.

There's always some idiot somewhere saying something. I had a friend growing up whose mom was against school dances or dances of any kind because she believed they promoted immorality. (the Bible Belt is fun) Had she managed to become PTA President, we probably would have discontinued dances. I've read about schools where a smattering of religious nuts flipped out about Halloween decorations and other schools where a handful of non-Christians lost their s# over the band's annual Christmas concert.

There's a school in Texas where the morons allow their children to be taught that the Loch Ness Monsters is real and disproves evolution.

How many k12 schools are there in the US? I think the number of public schools alone is about 100k. This year there were something like 50 million kids enrolled in kindergarten through 12th grade I was reading. How many parents of school children in public schools do you imagine there are? I'm going to guess that the number is probably just a tad lower than that but it's going to be tens of millions of people nonetheless.

Let me know when the number of schools is in the dozens at least and then maybe I'll consider being concerned about it.

At any rate, the OP's contention was that political correctness is a form of censorship. I don't know if I'd use either "political correctness" or "censorship" to describe that particular situation. I specifically asked if there was something that somebody wanted to say that they weren't able to say because of PC.

Is there something that you're personally not able to say because of political correctness?



posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: Abysha

I'm not sure why you keep bringing up disrespect.


For the same reason you keep saying respectfulness leads to censorship.



posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: ketsuko

I think the problem is the incapability to see beyond black and white.

Just like this notion of PC only encompassing language.


What they will never admit because then they'd have to face the hypocrisy is that what they're doing is trying to codify a morality of speech. They're shoving a morality of their own down everyone's throat and using shame among other things to do it.

All those little tricks they so abhor from the so-called religious fundies, they've adopted wholesale, just with new labeling.



posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 09:05 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Could I teach Huckleberry Finn in my classroom? Not the sanitized version?



posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: Abysha

And that's where we will just have to agree to disagree. We are both entitled to our opinions.

See how easy that is?



posted on Sep, 21 2017 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: Abysha

And that's where we will just have to agree to disagree. We are both entitled to our opinions.

See how easy that is?



Yes, I do. So are you saying that my opinion of a person's disrespectful behavior holds just as much ethical right to exist as said person's behavior?







 
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