Floyd Mayweather Defends Trump

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Edumakated

In my opinion, Floyd Mayweather's opinion of Trump holds as much weight as Stephen Colbert's opinion of Trump.

Well mark me as disagreeing with you ol ATS pal. Did Stephen make sense? Not to me because he lost his mind a long time ago. Floyd spoke to black people, whom I happen to go to church with as a white guy. He said they could start a business and do something good with their lives to paraphrase and Colbare likes to tear down people. I hope you reconsider that opinion now that I put it that way. Cheers

a reply to: Justoneman

Does Stephen Colbert have a domestic violence record?

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: Astrocyte


So because Mayweather thinks for himself and does not go along with the black democrat group think he is brain damaged? Because someone is able to recognize that hard work is how you get ahead he is brain damaged? I actually think that liberalism is a mental disorder

Hard work is a necessity to get ahead, but all too often people who are successful say it's hard work that got them where they were without ever considering outside circumstances. Is Mayweather the hardest working boxer ever? I think not. He got the right matches for his skill set though, which got him started, he won the genetic lottery in being a good boxer, he had the right circumstances at the right times in his life to let him fluorish. Sure, he worked for it, but that doesn't mean that he is where he is solely through his own hard work.

Plenty of people work hard and don't get that break. That doesn't mean they're too lazy, or they're not talented enough, or anything else. I can use my own circumstances for example. At the end of the previous school year I sent out over 1000 applications for internships (the final number was close to 1100), and I only got a couple phone interviews which didn't result in a job. Then a very good job literally fell into my lap through a former professor of mine. I was the first and only choice for the job, and they threw a ridiculous amount of money at me as well as the opportunity to start off as a lead developer rather than a junior.

I didn't work hard for this job, yet it has turned my life around. It's 100% the result of circumstance from having known the right person at the right time. I got the best internship/job offer of the graduating class last year, despite the fact that I rank somewhere around last place (and possibly dead last) in terms of ability. Hard work didn't get that for me, sure I worked for it... and possibly worked hard for it but that doesn't mean hard work is why I got it.

Hard work is like a college degree. It's a prerequisite for success, but all of your peers who do well in life will have a degree and work hard too. It's not what sets you apart. Circumstance is what sets you apart, and that means that you have to accept that some part of your life is determined by luck, which also means that you should accept that the right thing to do is have social policies in place that help those who weren't as lucky.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Edumakated

In my opinion, Floyd Mayweather's opinion of Trump holds as much weight as Stephen Colbert's opinion of Trump.

Well mark me as disagreeing with you ol ATS pal. Did Stephen make sense? Not to me because he lost his mind a long time ago. Floyd spoke to black people, whom I happen to go to church with as a white guy. He said they could start a business and do something good with their lives to paraphrase and Colbare likes to tear down people. I hope you reconsider that opinion now that I put it that way. Cheers

I happen to agree with Floyd. I think Colbert is the result when a brother marries his sister and honeymoons in Fukushima.


But opinions are all they are.

a reply to: Aazadan


Ah more of the liberal mantra of you didn't earn what you have, you got it off the backs of others crap. It is sad people are indoctrinated with that junk.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: toysforadults
Floyd is the most intelligent athlete on planet. Can't read? Come on stop it.

No. He seriously can't read. Being a high school dropout, and having parents who didn't really give a damn about him it's quite possible he has untreated dyslexia. Whatever the case is though, he can read the occasional word but he's in the functionally illiterate category.

I also dropped out of highschool and had parents a parent that didn't give a damn. What's your point?

Being literate doesn't equate to being intelligent.

Floyd is by far one of the most intelligent athletes ever, and for you to say otherwise based on his education says more about your own intelligence.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

How would you judge an athletes intelligence? Is it based on their career and success?

He is certainly one of the greatest boxers in history and uses a very intelligent style.

a reply to: luthier

To reach the heights he has and being arguably the greatest boxer of all time, takes an astounding level of talent AND intelligence. This is a once in a life time athlete we are talking about here. Not your regular Joe at the gym.

Your level of intelligence and intellect expand far beyond your reading capabilities, or lack thereof.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

So true.

Thank you for the refreshing and intelligent posts.

There is hope.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: luthier

To reach the heights he has and being arguably the greatest boxer of all time, takes an astounding level of talent AND intelligence. This is a once in a life time athlete we are talking about here. Not your regular Joe at the gym.

Your level of intelligence and intellect expand far beyond your reading capabilities, or lack thereof.

Having talent in a sport, doesn't mean you have additional insight into economics. In fact, it suggests you have less insight, because your time will be spent expanding your mind in your chosen field.

originally posted by: Aazadan
Having talent in a sport, doesn't mean you have additional insight into economics. In fact, it suggests you have less insight, because your time will be spent expanding your mind in your chosen field.

I hate to agree, but I have to do so. We all saw how woefully little insight in economics, policy, and military defense a person who had spent all their time expanding their mind in the field of community organization had recently... I can only assume it is similar with athletes.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

I don't agree that's all.

I agree he is one of the greatest boxers of all time. He is a genius at boxing.

I didn't mention his reading but history has a lot of athletes far more intellectually proven.

Intellect that allows one to Guage the intelligence.

Being highly specialized does not make one intelligent in a general nature.

Not really saying he isn't I just don't have him on that level with so many incredibly gifted athletes who pursued intellect instead of creating chains of Vegas Strip clubs.

I mean look at Jamis Winston. That kid is amazing.

a reply to: Aazadan


How is the view from your high horse? I have a friend that has a JD in law, other friends with masters, bachelors, MD's PhD's you name it and most of my friends tell me I am smarter than they are. I am not being braggadocious just making the point that a degree or higher learning does not mean you are more intelligent than someone that does not have a degree. There are different levels and kinds of intelligence. There is a quote attributed to Albert Einstein--- " Everybody is a genius. But If You judge a Fish by Its ability to climb a tree, It will live Its whole life believing that It is stupid"

a reply to: luthier

Well the term "intelligence" itself is quite vague and encompasses a very broad spectrum. Sure he may not be as bright as some other minds, but I was merely defending the notion that he must be stupid based on his education.

For anyone to reach the pinnacle of their respected profession takes a certain level of intelligence. Maybe even to the point where it's mostly intuition and immeasurable.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

I hate to agree, but I have to do so. We all saw how woefully little insight in economics, policy, and military defense a person who had spent all their time expanding their mind in the field of community organization had recently... I can only assume it is similar with athletes.

I'm pretty sure you're just trolling, but I actually agree. This is going off topic, but most politicians are not experts on any aspect that they're administering policy over. They rely more on being decision makers after having been coached on a subject by experts. The problem is, that most seek out experts who reinforce their own opinions, or that architected a policy proposal they adopted on the campaign trail, and are now bound to.

Politicians are the single best case in our society for the blind leading the blind, and why it's important that we start getting better candidates, and in particular in Congress a more diverse set of skills in our leaders, so that as a group they can leverage each others professional experience to make better laws.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

I agree with that. The Winston comment was a bit of sarcasm hard to tell with me saying that.

But yes he is a brilliant boxer and not only that used a very high iq style of fighting which relied on technique and defense from that shell to take very little damage.

Is he Andre Ward inteligent? I don't think so but that's opinion.

originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Who cares what that illiterate woman beater has to say?

Well he's black and famous. Therefore, his opinion about Trump is automatically noteworthy according to Trump supporters.

Well, you are a leftwinger and make up # daily just to bash at conservatives. You like socialism? why don't you take Mayweather's advice and go live in a socialist country like Venezuela instead of making almost daily threads in the mud pit bashing everyone in the U.S. who doesn't kowtow to your socialist ideology?

a reply to: luthier

Like I said earlier in the thread, it's similar to the Trump dynamic. People like to assume he's an idiot based on his language and how he carries himself, but to reach the heights he has takes an undeniable level of intelligence. This is a fact, regardless of how people want to spin it to the contrary.

originally posted by: norhoc
How is the view from your high horse? I have a friend that has a JD in law, other friends with masters, bachelors, MD's PhD's you name it and most of my friends tell me I am smarter than they are. I am not being braggadocious just making the point that a degree or higher learning does not mean you are more intelligent than someone that does not have a degree. There are different levels and kinds of intelligence. There is a quote attributed to Albert Einstein--- " Everybody is a genius. But If You judge a Fish by Its ability to climb a tree, It will live Its whole life believing that It is stupid"

Good for you. I hold 5 degrees and am the least educated member of my family. Degrees don't make for smarts either though, I certainly don't think I'm smart.

Usually, when we refer to intelligence we're referring to the ability to learn quickly. That's what IQ is a measurement of for example. It's not a number that says how smart you are, rather it suggests how fast you learn relative to your peers. Even that isn't a good measurement though, because different people will struggle with different subjects. I pick up things that have to do with logic systems easily like programming, math, law, and politics... but things which have little to do with math (besides arbitrary formulas) like economics, geology, anthropology, and history I have more trouble with.

While people who don't attend college can be intelligent, without a formal education they often lack the ability to challenge and question things. Furthermore, they lack the ability to actually interact with their peers in many situations.

As for your quote, I'm not sure why Einstein saying it would make any difference. Einstein could barely dress himself, despite being a genius in the realm of Physics. He wasn't exactly well versed on social dynamics. Additionally, the quote first began appearing in 2004 when Einstein died in 1955, it's very unlikely he ever said it. Instead, like many things it gets attributed to Einstein because people think that if a smart person says something, it holds more weight.

That said, I'm not sure the quote is even accurate. I think it's part of the "everyone is a special snowflake" BS that suggests each person has a place and a talent when that's simply not true. The world is a competitive place. Either adapt and compete, or come up with a non competitive system so that we don't have losers in the world anymore. If the world needs people to climb trees, then it's the job of a fish to learn how to climb a tree, even if it's at a disadvantage in learning to do so. If the fish isn't capable of doing that, it's the job of the fish to figure out an alternative to tree climbing.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: luthier

Like I said earlier in the thread, it's similar to the Trump dynamic. People like to assume he's an idiot based on his language and how he carries himself, but to reach the heights he has takes an undeniable level of intelligence. This is a fact, regardless of how people want to spin it to the contrary.

In the case of Trump. Until about 2005 or so he was very articulate and well spoken. Go look at some of his old interviews, I'm not sure he was ever a great businessman, but he was a damn good communicator. Something has happened to him in the last 10-15 years though. He's not aging well, and his ability to communicate has all but disappeared.

I think that Trump would have made a great President, had he run and won back in 2000 or 2004. He doesn't have the mind for it anymore sadly.