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so figured this may be of interest to some preppers out there or fire arms enthusiasts that like owning something odd or unique ,now i would assume it would require much more intensive maintenance then your standard suppressor and at just under a grand it may be out of budget for people trying to get into the smoke pole world but still found it interesting and wondered why something like this has not been made yet?
For the first time since the National Firearms Act (NFA) was created in 1934, civilians can enjoy suppressed shooting in all 50 states with SilencerCo's latest innovation: the integrally suppressed Maxim 50 muzzleloader. In addition, this product can be purchased right now on the web with no regulation (no 4473, no $200 tax stamp, no photographs, and no fingerprints) and be shipped immediately to the customer with few exceptions. In addition to producing hearing safe sound results, the Maxim 50 also offers shooters greatly reduced recoil and a 2/3 reduction of smoke emissions when compared to non-moderated muzzleloaders. No matter where you are in the country, you can now enjoy shooting suppressed.
pay attention to the ammo selection as it is apparently key to functioning correctly
WHY DON’T I NEED A TA X STAMP? The BATFE defines a silencer as a “device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm...” By that definition, a silencer is only a silencer if it can attach to a firearm. The Maxim 50 is built on the base of a Traditions ™ Vortek Strikerfire Muzzleloader. Muzzleloaders are not considered firearms by the BATFE, but are instead antique firearms, a definition and difference that is very distinct. Because of this, a moderator that is permanently affixed to a muzzleloader is not legally defined as a silencer, since it does not attach to a firearm.
and because it uses shotgun primers you can not use it for hunting in idaho,washington and oregon. which hopefully with design improvements could eventually end up having a fix for hunters in those states
APPROVED POWDER, PROJECTILES, & PRIMERS — Approved Black Powder 100gr of Blackhorn 209 Powder — Approved Projectiles Federal B.O.R. Lock Z Hornady FPB Similar Projectiles That Do Not Have Wadding or Plastic That Separates From The Projectile Upon Firing — Approved Primers Winchester 209 Primers 209 Shotshell Primers
so hopefully the share act passes as it would help protect hunters hearing as well as cut down on noise at shooting ranges.
Battle lines are being drawn early in a sweeping new sportsmen’s’ package introduced in the House earlier this month that includes language from the Hearing Protection Act. The bipartisan measure, the Sportsmen Heritage and Recreational Enhancement or SHARE Act, blends popular initiatives to safeguard and expand hunting and fishing rights and practices across public land with one to drop suppressors from National Firearms Act regulation. South Carolina Republican U.S. Rep. Jeff Duncan, the sponsor of the bill, has been working with Democrats within the Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus to try and garner support from across the aisle.
so thats part of the reason why they have been regulated for a while but as they tend to be used rarely if ever in actual crimes i find that a pretty weak argument for keeping them restricted.www.huffingtonpost.com...
The Hearing Protection Act has been wrapped into a larger legislative package called the Sportsmen Heritage And Recreational Enhancement (SHARE) Act, which is expected to get a House vote as early as this month. The GOP-controlled House appears likely to pass the legislation; it faces a much less certain future in the Senate. Much of the debate over silencers has so far centered around safety. Supporters of the legislation say they’re working to protect the eardrums of hunters and recreational shooters, who routinely expose themselves to high-volume gunfire. Opponents believe loosening the regulations would be dangerous, because criminals could obtain silencers more easily as well.
so as any one who has worked on a carrier deck can attest to that is still pretty loud
How much is the noise reduced? By up to 30 decibels, depending on the type of gun, ammunition and suppressor. Currently, gun control lobbies are claiming that if “silencers” are available, people will not be able to hear a mass shooting that is going on nearby. To test the claim, let’s consider last week’s attack on Republicans who were practicing baseball in Alexandria. The criminal used a SKS rifle, with 7.62mm ammunition. Without a suppressor, the sound of a shot from such a gun is 165 decibels. This is more than twice as loud as a jet take-off, if you are 25 meters from the jet. With a suppressor, the SKS would be about 140db. That’s equivalent to being on an active aircraft carrier deck.
originally posted by: network dude
Has anyone actually come up with a good reason why suppressors are an NFA item? Reducing noise is all they do, and they don't make it silent, just quieter. I understand that in the UK they are not regulated and easy to get. Why is it that in the US we have to spend money and jump through hoops just to save our hearing? Are people really under the impression that if the average Joe had a suppressor, he would turn into a contract killer?
“The bill would end the federal requirement for background checks on firearm silencer sales, and make it legal for convicted felons, domestic abusers, and the dangerously mentally ill to buy and possess silencers,” said Everytown in a statement. “To the satisfaction of NRA headquarters, the legislation would profit gun manufacturers, who could mass market firearm silencers at the expense of public safety.”
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: RalagaNarHallas
The last .22lr I bought, I made sure it had a threaded barrel just in case this goes through. I have a great place to shoot, but my only neighbor works night shift, so I can either shoot at my leisure and be "that guy", or I can try to curtail my shooting to a time when he's up. With a suppressor, I think I could shoot the 22 without irritating him. I just would rather not spend $800 to do it. (cost of suppressor and tax stamp)
I'm looking forward to this bill passing.
looks quite interesting,why does the vid have screechy loud music? I suspect it's to mask the sound of the not so quiet 50 didn't see any DB levels noted with and w/o the silencer.
originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: RalagaNarHallas
Very interesting. I watched the video at the bottom, it is a breach loader/black powder weapon no?
ETA semantics aside, what a great idea. Legal silencing in all 50...now Im not sure that makes it legal to hunt all 50 states IE MA. Ohio etc...have shotgun only, no rifles due to travel...anyone know? I have to assume I could still only use this on the range here
ETA aaaah its a shotgun primer, break but still considered muzzleloader:its a #209 shotgun primer, not a cartridge.