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So the FBI was wiretapping people connected to Trump

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posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 07:33 AM
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a reply to: seasonal

Let us know when that happens ok. Lots of folks waiting for him to be right...about anything.




posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 07:36 AM
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a reply to: Grambler



People that dislike trump are so short sighted that they can not see they are cheering for using the intelligence community to attack political opponents.


Who's cheering for any such thing?

It appears the IC had taken the proper steps and provided just cause for doing what they did. No one used the IC to go after political opponents.

You're being hyperbolic.



posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Trump lives in a cell phone?



posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 07:49 AM
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originally posted by: Dudemo5
Well, this kind of thing will tend to happen when all your campaign cohorts are playing hide the salami with Russian operatives.


OK, now you're just making stuff up and pretending that somebody has alleged it.

If I'm wrong, show me a cite.

The article admits, way deep down, that the evidence is "inconclusive." That means they don't have any evidence.

CNN, with it's usual dumpster-level ethics, buried the leads in the article.



posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: Grambler

Ahhh but what it also shows is the level of control going on behind the scenes here in the US. We had a govenrment using the FBI to spy on their political enemy then had the media cover it up...while using celebrities to further push the narrative as well and schools and universities. Not that every person considered to fit in one of those categories was "in on it" but it seems they had enough to sway opinion of most that are apart of those categories of people to use it all in concert and unified. That is one serious and scary display of power!

I missed a lot of facets but I'm pretty sure we all saw how stacked the deck was...and to peel back the curtain some and realize that power is true and in certain peoples hands is pretty staggering!


I guess it doesn't matter to anyone that this started in 2014?



posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 07:52 AM
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where was the political attacks though? seems to me, they would have used the knowledge before trump was elected and sworn in, they were really pretty quiet about the russian influence during this time..
it seems that there was far more political attacks against hillary... with quite a bit now believed to be coming from sources connected to putin.



posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 07:52 AM
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The implications are frightening indeed... even assuming they don't create anything in the process, like claiming they "found" child porn on the computer... or phone calls to an escort service... or God only knows what. And since they have secret warrants and secret methodologies and secret court orders to fall back on, we would only know "what" they found with no way to prove or disprove "how" they found it -- or IF they really found it where they said they found it.

Lots and lots of secrets with no means of verification or confirmation. Yet we're supposed to trust these critters. Sheesh!



posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 07:54 AM
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No it's not your phone's in your tower. It's Maniforts phone in his pocket.

When I lived in an apartment in NYC the landlord didn't pay our phone bill. Or get to use our phones.
You think everything in trump tower is trumps or even trumps business?



posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

No they have already released the findings of that investigation and trump tower was never wiretapped nor was trump.
www.cnn.com...

Determined by trumps own justice department
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posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 08:09 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

No they have already released the findings of that investigation and trump tower was never wiretapped nor was trump.


Link please.

This CNN article from the op says they are not sure if manaforts residence in trump tower was tapped.
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posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 08:11 AM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Grambler



People that dislike trump are so short sighted that they can not see they are cheering for using the intelligence community to attack political opponents.


Who's cheering for any such thing?

It appears the IC had taken the proper steps and provided just cause for doing what they did. No one used the IC to go after political opponents.

You're being hyperbolic.


So Obama taking unprecedented steps to share info from all sorts of ic agencies was ok. And discussing this ongoing investigation with European allies was ok.

And all of the unmasking was ok. And the leaks that came as a result were no big deal.

Quick question, if it turns out they did wiretap trump but had a warrant for it, are you ok with that?



posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 08:11 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

I updated my post.
But didn't you already hear this like weeks ago?



posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 08:12 AM
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And I'm sure no one knew of his intentions to run...like he just went on a whim the year of and decided to run. Come on now...you aren't that dumb are you? A presidential run isn't a thing you just do last minute.

But either way it doesn't matter, its clear to see how people not involved with the investigation on manafort were unmasked. Then those conversations were spread around and leaked in a manner that would hurt Trump's run. If they had any real standing for any of this there would have been charges before the election done the legal way. Instead we see that it was illegally leaked. Does that sound like the actions of righteous people? Sure doesnt to me. Also all the usual checks against that like the media who would have or rather should call that sort of abuse of power out for all to see instead were lock step united with everyone else who was against Trump. To me that shows some serious power in the hands of some one/ones to shape the narrative of so many institutions. Wonder what people would have the practice and experience as well as the metaphorical tool set required to pull something like that off...maybe people like the IC...yea sounds pretty logical of a conclusion to me. Much more logical than anything you're saying for sure.
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posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 08:14 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
where was the political attacks though? seems to me, they would have used the knowledge before trump was elected and sworn in, they were really pretty quiet about the russian influence during this time..
it seems that there was far more political attacks against hillary... with quite a bit now believed to be coming from sources connected to putin.







So you think in total there were more political attacks against Hillary than trump? Despite the near 24 7 anti trump coverage on almost every main stream news outlet in the western world?



posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 08:14 AM
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If a warrant is issued its usually because they have probable cause so yeah we'd all be okay with that. Except the cult of personality crowd but you know...



posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 08:16 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

Right our judges are a beacon of perfection and incorruptible...

ETA: And they always follow the letter of the law to a T that's why everyone loves our legal system here in the US.
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posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 08:18 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

I updated my post.
But didn't you already hear this like weeks ago?


The CNN article from yesterday says they are not sure if manafort was tapped in his residence in trump tower.

But anyone who vehemently thinks the fbi investigation into Hillary was legit even after we now know comey had made up his mind before interviewing the most relevant people is clearly so biased it is hard to have a serious conversation with.



posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 08:19 AM
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It appears that everything that was done in this case was within the law. But that nonsense you asked is not what I was referring to when I responded to you.

You said that the IC was being used to go after political opponents. There is no evidence to even suggest that.



Quick question, if it turns out they did wiretap trump but had a warrant for it, are you ok with that?


Yes. If they had a warrant, there would have been just cause to get that warrant.



posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: RickyD

Manifort wasn't part of any campaign in 2014. He was however involved with some bad russians.
The wire tap had nothing to do with trump.



posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 08:20 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

If a warrant is issued its usually because they have probable cause so yeah we'd all be okay with that. Except the cult of personality crowd but you know...


Yes that's why the fisa court only denies .03 requests for warrants.

I can't wait to hear your outrage when a Republican gets the court to rubber stamp warrants, then unmasks and leaks info to hurt there political rivals.

But hey, the precedent has been set, and you cheered for it.




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