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So the FBI was wiretapping people connected to Trump

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posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:03 PM
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Yes. And fake news. And stuff.

But....

No really, Facebook, a $500 billion company, actually thinks that $50,000 worth of ad revenue is news and quite literally could have changed the course of American history.
Is not what Facebook said.

Did their efforts matter? Who knows. Did they try? Yeah, I think they did? Was Donny Jr anxious to find any dirt he could from Russia? I'll let you answer that one.


Side note: It's my theory that Sorch Faal was practice.


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posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Grambler

Yes. And fake news. And stuff.

But....

No really, Facebook, a $500 billion company, actually thinks that $50,000 worth of ad revenue is news and quite literally could have changed the course of American history.
Is not what Facebook said.

Did their efforts matter? Who knows. Did they try? Yeah, I think they did? Was Donny Jr anxious to find any dirt he could from Russia? I'll let you answer that one.


Side note: It's my theory that Sorch Faal was practice.



Wow.

Hahaha! At least you are honest.

Those pesky russians.

Bringing down the most powerful country on earth with facebook posts.

I am sure Trump can dig up some Chinese facebook accounts for whoever runs against him in 2020, and then we can rwally start using the FBI to turn the screws against his opponent.

And eta, if russian fake news and facebook pages are such a serious issue, what do you call over 90% of the US main stream media being anti Trump?

I guess we need fisa warrants and specil investigators to look into the democrats that were colluding with the MSM>
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posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:10 PM
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Bringing down the most powerful country on earth with facebook posts.

I said that I think they were messing around, trying to influence the election. I don't see how that equates with bringing the country down.

As much as I loathe Trump, I don't think he can do that either.


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posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Grambler




Bringing down the most powerful country on earth with facebook posts.

I said that I think they were messing around, trying to influence the election. I don't see how that equates with bringing the country down.



Ok if it was just messing around, how does that jive with now saying what the Russians did in this election was new or unprecedented. The US, UK, Spain, Israel, japan, China, Russia, etc. has always sought to use media stories to influence other countries elections.

If the Russians did not hack the DNC, there is literally ZERO justification for any of these investigations.

Hell the entire BBC was a megaphone for Hillary, so they too were a foriegn government meddling in the election, and we should have investigations into hillarys connections with the UK.

Its utter nonsense.



posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:15 PM
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OK, so you don't have any proof of this dreadful supposed Russian meddling in the election. You have a "I think", oh well.

I am, however quite interested in your "Sorch Faal" theory. This is a novel one and sounds like it could be very entertaining. Should I grab some popcorn for this?



posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:15 PM
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Utter nonsense doesn't even begin to explain the hypocrisy from the left...

However let them have their witch hunt and watch the triggering when nothing happens to Trump.

8 years of MAGA!!



posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:20 PM
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Ok if it was just messing around, how does that jive with now saying what the Russians did in this election was new or unprecedented.
I don't think I said that.


If the Russians did not hack the DNC, there is literally ZERO justification for any of these investigations.
Unless members of the Trump campaign were involved. Unless money was involved.


Hell the entire BBC was a megaphone for Hillary
Yes, indeed. But being an unabashed megaphone is a bit different from pretending to be something else.


Its utter nonsense.
No. It isn't.


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posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:23 PM
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OK, so you don't have any proof of this dreadful supposed Russian meddling in the election.
Correct. But I find the evidence which we have been provided to be quite convincing. It could turn out to be nothing. But I don't think it will.


I am, however quite interested in your "Sorch Faal" theory. This is a novel one and sounds like it could be very entertaining
Good. Because it was a joke.

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posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Grambler

Yes. And fake news. And stuff.

But....

No really, Facebook, a $500 billion company, actually thinks that $50,000 worth of ad revenue is news and quite literally could have changed the course of American history.
Is not what Facebook said.

Did their efforts matter? Who knows. Did they try? Yeah, I think they did? Was Donny Jr anxious to find any dirt he could from Russia? I'll let you answer that one.


Side note: It's my theory that Sorch Faal was practice.



Wow.

Hahaha! At least you are honest.

Those pesky russians.

Bringing down the most powerful country on earth with facebook posts.

I am sure Trump can dig up some Chinese facebook accounts for whoever runs against him in 2020, and then we can rwally start using the FBI to turn the screws against his opponent.

And eta, if russian fake news and facebook pages are such a serious issue, what do you call over 90% of the US main stream media being anti Trump?

I guess we need fisa warrants and specil investigators to look into the democrats that were colluding with the MSM>


And the rich oligarchs that control such as well as the intel agencies leaks.



posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
I don't think I said that.


You said "Nor was the level of Russian involvement with the election process known."

Now you are saying they were just messing around. Hence my statement that no one made a big deal about working with russia before proves that this hyperbolic reaction is a joke seeing as how russia was just messing around.

And the fact hillarys team verifiably worked to get russian sanctions lifted and got paid for it but are somehow not under investigation further proves this is all about politics.



Unless members of the Trump campaign were involved. Unless money was involved.


So if Trump what, gave money to a russian to say good things about him, this somehow is a big deal? So if I could prove that media people gave money to hillary, or she gave money to them, you also think that is a big deal?

I love how the narrative is changing. At first it was Trumps team colluded with russia on illegally hacking the DNC. Now its they worked with them on RT stories or facebook pages. Unreal.




Yes, indeed. But being an unabashed megaphone is a bit different from pretending to be something else.


Right. Like the BBC, CNN NYT and many others pretending to be jouranlists when they are actually cheerleaders, some of which publicly said they would break the law to hurt trump.


No. It isn't.



Yes, its nonsense. How a candidate that was backed by just about every influential media organization in the western world can claim that Russia posting stories even if fake that favored Trump justifies the insane investigation is nonsense.



posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ReadingOne


Correct. But I find the evidence which we have been provided to be quite convincing. It could turn out to be nothing. But I don't think it will.



I am more than willing to see your evidence. So far we have the Facebook release showing Russia had facebook pages. Anything else?



posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:37 PM
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You've seen all of the evidence that I have. If you think Facebook is the whole of it you are rejecting the rest.
Your option.



posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:39 PM
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Remind me again of the "evidence we have been provided"..?

You seem to have a habit of simply stating things as they are facts, at least in the political threads you visit. I saw that you also talked about "stolen emails". Are you referring to the Podesta emails that Wikileaks published? As far as I know there has been no proof of a theft. They could have been leaked.

By reading your posts I also get the impression that you only get your news and information from the MSM - and that you believe every word the MSM "journalists" tell you. Perhaps you should be a bit more critical and dare to venture outside of CNN sometimes. Just saying.



posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:39 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Grambler

You've seen all of the evidence that I have. If you think Facebook is the whole of it you are rejecting the rest.
Your option.


No the evidence that was released as reason for investigations was that Russia hacked the emails.

You seem to think that there is some other evidence that something will come of.

I have no clue what you are talking about, especial;ly when you characterize it as Russia just messing around.



posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Grambler

Ok if it was just messing around, how does that jive with now saying what the Russians did in this election was new or unprecedented.
I don't think I said that.


If the Russians did not hack the DNC, there is literally ZERO justification for any of these investigations.
Unless members of the Trump campaign were involved. Unless money was involved.


Hell the entire BBC was a megaphone for Hillary
Yes, indeed. But being an unabashed megaphone is a bit different from pretending to be something else.


Its utter nonsense.
No. It isn't.



You think people in the msm, the oligarchs, the saudis, the bbc you think there s no financial connection to the clintons or their foundation? No highly paid speeches, no promised legislation behind closed doors? Those 100s of visits from google to the white house while distorting search results and censoring conservatives, affecting the election you think that came without promises?

Searching the emails of high execs might reveal the promised kick backs and allow obama and hillary to be brought to justice



posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:45 PM
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Now you are saying they were just messing around.
I didn't say "just messing around." I said "messing around."


And the fact hillarys team verifiably worked to get russian sanctions lifted and got paid for it but are somehow not under investigation further proves this is all about politics.
I'm not sure what you're referring to. But if there is something to investigate, shouldn't Sessions get on the stick?



So if Trump what, gave money to a russian to say good things about him, this somehow is a big deal?
I'm not sure the flow would have been in that direction.



At first it was Trumps team colluded with russia on illegally hacking the DNC.
I don't think that's a strong possibility. But I think it is a possibility that there was discussion about what was released when.


How a candidate that was backed by just about every influential media organization in the western world can claim that Russia posting stories even if fake that favored Trump justifies the insane investigation is nonsense.
Impressive runon sentence there. But I get your drift. What would justify the investigation would likely be similar to what was used to justify the issuance of a FISA warrant. Evidence presented to a judge.

Awesome, we got back to the topic.

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posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Grambler

Now you are saying they were just messing around.
I didn't say "just messing around." I said "messing around."


And the fact hillarys team verifiably worked to get russian sanctions lifted and got paid for it but are somehow not under investigation further proves this is all about politics.
I'm not sure what you're referring to. But if there is something to investigate, shouldn't Sessions get on the stick?



So if Trump what, gave money to a russian to say good things about him, this somehow is a big deal?
I'm not sure the flow would have been in that direction.



At first it was Trumps team colluded with russia on illegally hacking the DNC.
I don't think that's a strong possibility. But I think it is a possibility that there was discussion about what was released when.


How a candidate that was backed by just about every influential media organization in the western world can claim that Russia posting stories even if fake that favored Trump justifies the insane investigation is nonsense.
Impressive runon sentence there. But I get your drift. What would justify the investigation would likely be similar to what was used to justify the issuance of a FISA warrant. Evidence presented to a judge.

Awesome, we got back to the topic.


A judge that it wouldnt surprise was likely put there by a democrat and looked the other way like the officials at DACA greenlighting middle age criminals with no schooling and multiple adult children as dreamers.



posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:52 PM
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And with all of these claims, we still have far more evidence that Hillarys team colluded with Ukraine to sabotage Trump.


Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.


www.politico.com...


Evidence has been released suggesting DNC operatives may have worked with the government of Ukraine to manufacture evidence against Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s onetime campaign manager who has emerged as a central figure in the Russian meddling probe. After speaking with the Ukrainian National Anti-corruption Bureau (NABU), I wrote in this space a year ago that they knew at the time that a “ledger” published in The New York Times supposedly showing that Mr. Manfort received illegal payments from a source tied to ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych was bogus. NABU investigators clearly said at the time that the newspaper took the phony document from the internet.

This week, Ukrainian parliamentary member Andrei Derkach sent a letter to the country’s chief prosecutor demanding an investigation into illegal collusion with the Clinton campaign to defeat Mr. Trump.

“Only a transparent and thorough investigation into the unlawful interference of Ukrainian officials with the U.S. election campaign can restore the trust of our strategic partner,” Mr. Derkach wrote.


www.washingtontimes.com...

Where are the special investigators, where are the cries from the media.

Again the double standard is blatant for all to see.

I am surprised you are falling for it.



posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:54 PM
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Where are the special investigators, where are the cries from the media.

Like I said, Sessions should get on it.



posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 09:58 PM
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So your argument boils down to the investigation os legitimate because a judge says it is.

Got it. I suppose that the fact that Fisa court almost never rejects a request wouldn't change your mind.


But the FISC has declined just 11 of the more than 33,900 surveillance requests made by the government in 33 years, the Wall Street Journal reported Sunday. That’s a rate of .03 percent, which raises questions about just how much judicial oversight is actually being provided.


www.motherjones.com...

You are entitled to your opinion.

But the original narrative of Russia hacking and Trumps team colluding on that is falling apart, and so now new garbage just pops up, some of which is facebook posts and fake news stories.

It is laughable.




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