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Here's how I see capitalism, socialism, communism, any ism.

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posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: underwerks

Not because there aren't honest and principled people who would do these jobs, but because the system itself (as it stands today) lends itself to corruption. Make laws that make it extremely illegal to accept money for anything involving your service as a politician and it won't be long before the people who care about money first and foremost find another line of work.


Who do you suggest we get to write and pass those laws?

The same crooked people who take advantage of their positions right now. Which is why there won't be any change until politicians are convinced to vote against their own massive financial interests. Any other talk of change is nothing more than lip service.

Good luck.




posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

Everyone thinks that their "barrel" will make the apples great. But they ignore the fact that you have to have "good apples" to begin with, or else you'll end up with rotten apples and people blaming the barrel again.


The problem is which ism has the good apples. If all you ate were rotten apples your whole life then the rotten apple is the good apple. I read a book that talked about human history and one point in it was that humans were most likely at their happiest until recent times when they were hunter gatherers. Farming pretty much has brought all the evils we see a pond us.

We have reached a point where we can be happy, I just do not think people want to be happy. Today give them an apple off the tree and they will say it sucks and go over an get a rotten one instead.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

You never learn, do you. Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money. Worse, the US is already $20 Trillion in Debt, a debt it can never repay. What happens when a socialist system collapses under the weight of its debt? Venezuela. Why do we have the $20 Trillion in Debt? A large part of that debt was created to finance socialist programs like Social Security, Food Stamps, Section 8 housing, etc.

At a recent conference Alan Greenspan said the debt could never be brought to heel without greatly reducing the outlay for the entitlement programs.

My take on it is that he's right but........the other part of the truth is the US government would have to deeply cut the Military budget. And, realistically that's never going to happen.

You a young socialist? That's o.k., but my advice would be to spend little, save much and buy a US or Canadian silver dollar once a month and stash them under your bed. You're going to need them when this thing goes pear shaped and toes up!



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv




I don't think he could have done anything else under those circumstances.


Sure he could have . He could have done like Ron Paul and Monty Brewster and voted none of the above and kept his dignity.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

This will sum it up nicely.

"ISM" 1948 Cartoon Explains the Free Market System and Class Warfare




posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: kaylaluv

You never learn, do you. Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money.


Socialism works where the majority of society works. Smaller countries do make it work somewhat well, but once the flow of workers go down then there is not enough to pay for the services. We saw this in Greece where the number of non-workers and Government workers greatly out grew the private sector workers who pay for it all and so no money coming in just had the whole system collapse.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:56 PM
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Well, I'm back. Did yard work and put a backstairs on someone's house.

But that's beside the point.

Some refinement perhaps on my OP.

I think that the "good apples" also defines the barrel.

A transparent barrel would be wonderful also.

We need term limits though. Really really badly.

We will never rid ourselves of the stench of cronyism if we continue to allow those that emit the most foul stench to stay.
edit on 17-9-2017 by DBCowboy because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
Well, I'm back. Did yard work and put a backstairs on someone's house.


I did yard work too and stained someone's african mahogany garage door. ***pats self on the back with the hand that still functions properly***


We need term limits though. Really really badly.

How many terms do you think it'll take the Pauls to get that done?



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Bone75

I think, and this is just my own opinion, that they only way we'll get term limits is if we resort to torches, pitch forks, and all out revolt.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
Start with term limits for everyone. Congress, local, state, federal, Supreme Court . . . . . everyone.


Just have everyone running the government with no real experience? A bunch of green horns dealing with the Russians, Chinese, and a multitude of Middle Eastern countries with serious issues?
What a genius plan!

A bought politician is a bought politician. Doesn't matter if they can only serve two years or twenty. There's more to buying political favor than just campaign contributions. There's also implied favor for executive positions once political figures leave the government. It's called the revolving door.

It seems to me that there is a disconnect with people thinking that running a government representing nearly 350 million people is easy..... Like anyone could do it.

I could possibly be swayed for maybe term limits of 10-12 years with enough stagger to ensure adequate experience. I could also possibly be swayed for a removal of lifetime appointments to the Supreme Court. However, I'm not convinced it'll actually fix anything. In all honesty, term limits may cause problems more serious than we have now.

The carrots and sticks are more central to the problem than length of terms.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 04:18 PM
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Even more basic then 'changing out bad apples' to use your anaology, is the need to change ourselves. And that means me and you and you and you.

Our elected leaders are exactly those we deserve, they are a reflection of our collective (ohhhh - scary word) consciousness. They reflect the ill will, greed, lust, self-centeredness, hatred that seem ubiquitous in our society.

The primarily causes for this ethical and moral decline are lack of self-reflection, lack of responsibility and blame. If we don't as individuals acknowledge and work to improve our own character deficients how can we expect anyone else to do so.

Blaming others for 'your' feelings (ohhh - another scary word) doesn't do you or the world any good.

Stop telling me about your 'rights' and start telling me about your 'responsibilities'. Stop telling me what's wrong and tell me what's right, what's possible.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

The system works pretty good as it is. Incentive driven growth.

Capitalism should live up to its name, put a cap on the wealth one person can own.

Equality without discrimination. That should curb capitalist excessiveness. I don't think too many here would think, if say $100,000,000 balance, would feel impoverished.


edit on 17-9-2017 by kennyb72 because: clarity



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 09:50 PM
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a reply to: Nikola014

Human nature powers innovation..

But more than that innovation still requires resources . You can't invent the wheel without wood and a chisel. Also innovation requires an excess of time and materials.

Humans have never settled for good enough. A public option and food stamps can't change that.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: kennyb72

But then it's not capitalism if you put a cap on wealth.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 11:48 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy




But then it's not capitalism if you put a cap on wealth.


Socialist in scope, Capitalist in practice, win win.

No! its not Capitalism but would have the positive features of both social systems.




posted on Sep, 18 2017 @ 12:36 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Bernie wanted to also take the money out of politics. Which would go a long way in weeding out the bad apples.







 
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