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Here's how I see capitalism, socialism, communism, any ism.

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posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

No, it doesn't.

The only thing socialism is good for is for providing accessible health care to everyone, pensions, and some other government assistance to those who need it

It absolutely does not encourage any type of innovation, nor it gives power to the people.
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posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv




Bernie was always talking about replacing the bad apples.


I supported Bernie for THIS election, but he turned out to be a sell out. You are right , he did talk about replacing the bad apples but then GOES and supports one of the most rotten Apples (Hillary Clinton) and no I'm no Trump fan nor did I vote for him.

He basically soiled his words the minute he endorsed the poster child of a corrupted scandalous political family.

I don't pigeon hole myself into any 'ism' when looking at every problem or industry like the majority do. Hence I don't dismiss looking into socialism for our healthcare or educational system . However I also don't dismiss changing the rewards paradigm of a capitalist system when it comes to healthcare or education to ensure companies get rewarded based on the benefit of the individual Americans , unlike the bs controlled capitalist system we have today.


however none of that means anything nor will it work until we only concentrate on 1. Congregational term limits

2. campaign financing reform.

3. Lobbying reform

4. doing away with super-pacs

5. Revolving door between gov't and private sector

6. Transparency


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posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy




The only way you are going to get great apples, is NOT by replacing the barrel, but by REPLACING THE APPLES!


That's not how it works. Stop putting them in barrels to let em rot and make apple pie instead?



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 10:28 AM
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originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: kaylaluv

No, it doesn't.

The only thing socialism is good for is for providing accessible health care to everyone, pensions, and some other government assistance to those who need it

It absolutely does not encourage any type of innovation, nor it gives power to the people.


I wasn't referring to socialism in the historic sense.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 10:29 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: TheLead

Democratic Socialism (Which is what Bernie represents) gives ultimate power to the people. That includes letting individuals bring about grand change, and encourages a spirit of innovation just as much as capitalism, without letting the corporate giant take it over.


Except when it comes to deciding who gets the money and who gets paid to administrate the money.




posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Historic sense? What?

Unless socialism has changed its entire ideology to fit capitalism, I don't understand what you mean by your comment.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Incorrect creating ease of life is what has lead to our immense inefficiency in the first place. We can only keep becoming more effecient with stagnate population growth or reduction along with more effeciency tech. You think robots are going to do the work and we're going to be free to live as we may? That won't lead to huge over population and resource degeneration to the point of extinction without relocation or planet mining?

Why do you think they went for healthcare first? It's the most important of needs. The prices will continually rise until we the people vote to limit the things we treat. We will force health on each other thus limiting your freedom over your body. What Bernie talks about can't exist. He is a persona, a character, just look how he presents himself as the totured dreamer.

What's happening right now for the world and specifically America is that the people now realize they are becoming close to being weeded out, some form of genocide will have to happen to bring about a singular world structure. It's a preposterous concept without hundreds probably thousands of years of genetical manipulation or total control. They've decided on total control by allowing us to hand it to them.

People have awoken to the elites game, they understand the meaninglessness of money without the work from their back or others to give it is value. At the same time we've created robots that reduce our value. To many things have come to a head at this moment in time.

Ever wonder why every great technological advancement becomes a distraction or entertainment? Radios, Tv, computers, the internet, all great ways to communicate information. They have all become distractions. Hell people talk words more than ever, but actually communicate less.

Radio intent- informative communication
Radio now- not only devoid of information, but not even good music to be found.

Tv intent- informative communication
Tv now- misinformation, entertainment, devoid of reality, full of dramatisized non-reality reality tv?

Computers informative storage, analysis. Now coupled with the internet /google which was supposed to put all information at your fingertips. People are more confused than ever. There is a overload of misinformation. That's why facts and alternative facts do exist. We get manipulated data sets. The true narrative doesn't always come to fruition, because humans are implanting the data. They decide the variables that go into the story and their value. With other variables introduced along with value of association, it can not only change the story but the whole narrative.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: kaylaluv




Bernie was always talking about replacing the bad apples.


I supported Bernie for THIS election, but he turned out to be a sell out. You are right , he did talk about replacing the bad apples but then GOES and supports one of the most rotten Apples (Hillary Clinton) and no I'm no Trump fan nor did I vote for him.

He basically soiled his words the minute he endorsed the poster child of a corrupted scandalous political family.

I don't pigeon hole myself into any 'ism' when looking at every problem or industry like the majority do. Hence I don't dismiss looking into socialism for our healthcare or educational system . However I also don't dismiss changing the rewards paradigm of a capitalist system when it comes to healthcare or education to ensure companies get rewarded based on the benefit of the individual Americans , unlike the bs controlled capitalist system we have today.


however none of that means anything nor will it work until we only concentrate on 1. Congregational term limits

2. campaign financing reform.

3. Lobbying reform

4. doing away with super-pacs

5. Revolving door between gov't and private sector

6. Transparency



He was just being a realist. At a certain point, he knew he wasn't going to win. He knew no third party candidate would win. He knew it was down to Trump or Clinton. He thought Trump would be a bigger disaster than Clinton. I don't think he could have done anything else under those circumstances.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: Nikola014

Look, Bernie knew that the U.S. would never be a traditional socialist country in the pure sense, nor did he want it to be. His view of Democratic socialism for America would give all the benefits of a socialist government, while still allowing for personal freedom and profit. What he wanted to do was fix corruption not only in the government, but in the corporate world as well. He didn't want to take away anyone's freedom to be a success.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 11:01 AM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

That's kind of my point. Rotten apples create the container and wrap it in a pretty new bow. Same thing over and over in a different perceptual form, why would you create a new barrel without a new bushel. Just seems like insanity to me?

We're essentially drug addicts.
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posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 11:10 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I think their solution (tptb) is a Technocratic system ...All based around the CO2 they have been shoving at us for some time now . No need for politicians then as it would be appointments of their higher educated plebs . No need to whisk politicians all around the earth as they can have live feeds to discuss the talking points . But before they can bring in the new they need to destroy the old and that only leaves the capitalist democracy in the west which is almost suffering to stay alive at the moment . ....time will tell though .



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 11:11 AM
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originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: kaylaluv

No, it doesn't.

The only thing socialism is good for is for providing accessible health care to everyone, pensions, and some other government assistance to those who need it

It absolutely does not encourage any type of innovation, nor it gives power to the people.


Military spending is the worst kind of socialism. It's stealing through taxation to give it to private contractors. All the military spending did absolutely nothing to protect us on 9/11. Time to get rid of BIG government socialist spending.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 11:41 AM
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A good place to start would be to have laws in place that make it illegal for any politician to accept even a dime from any source outside of their salary.

No more special interests buying politicians. No more drug companies shifting the laws in their favor, and in the process decimating a part of society with a new opioid epidemic, no more military contractors throwing money at politicians in hope of drawn out or new wars, and no money from oil companies in hopes of starting and continuing those same wars.

Complete divestment from personal business interests across the board. If you want to be a politician, then your service to the country takes precedence over earning profits from whatever businesses you're a part of.

But for that to happen, you'd need politicians who would vote for themselves to have less power and money. And there's a better chance of hell freezing over than that ever happening.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 11:51 AM
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A see-thru barrel would sure make the bad apples easier to spot. Not your best analogy.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 11:53 AM
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a reply to: underwerks

How would you prevent them from taking the bribes after their term expired? Look at all of these former politicians going around making $500,000 speeches? Do they really offer insight that is worth 1/2 million dollars or are these speeches a way to give these already bribed politicians a way to bring the money into public view so it can be spent?

I love what the OP is saying. I think they are spot on that it doesn't really matter what the current 'ism' that forms our government, it is the people that comprise that body who will ultimately have the greatest effect on us peasants.

So we need to get honest and principled people into these positions. How? Is it even possible with a centralized form of 'ism'?

I still see the greatest answer being a restoration of our bill of rights and constitution. Then we would have state's rights again. The people would be a lot closer to their elected officials. Maybe in that close proximity, we would snap out of our apathy and start caring again.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 12:03 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Something about putting new wine in old wine skins?



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 12:04 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I think those "isms" are all about what class gets to run that society..

None are inherently good or even l, though I think the differing technology stages make some more or less efficient and some have a larger margin for error..

In a nut sell I think..

Monarchies are obviously the aristocracy rules..

Capitalism your merchant class rulres.

Socialism the nonmilitary peasant class rules.

Communism the military peasant class rules.



And I think most of the wars we have fought have been over exactly this..

As the merchant classes and peasants rose up. The aristocracies took that as an inherent threat.

I mean what is stopping their peasant and merchant classes from ousting them??

Not much...


As monarchies slowly die and merchant classes begin to take over. The old monarchies allied with merchant classes against the peasant classes.


Which is why we have the wars between capitalism and communism.

It is the merchant classes who rule the west afraid of the peasants rising up and ousting them.

Why else would anyone care what other countries did with their economies lol?!?!


I think all have their strengths and weaknesses but are really all predicated on who you put in charge..

A king author running a monarchy would be a utopia, but we have all seen what happens when you give a hitler a democracy.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: ClovenSky

People have to let go of the idea that we'll ever be able to get honest and principled people into these government positions. We won't.

Not because there aren't honest and principled people who would do these jobs, but because the system itself (as it stands today) lends itself to corruption. Make laws that make it extremely illegal to accept money for anything involving your service as a politician and it won't be long before the people who care about money first and foremost find another line of work.

The only thing these people understand is their wallet getting lighter, so you hit them there, where it hurts most. Make the consequences so great for selling out your country to the highest bidder that these crooked politicians don't want to play the game anymore.

And then maybe, just maybe, some people who actually care about making our country better would have a chance to do so. Until then, it's just the good ol' boy system, reheated with a different name slapped on it.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

Not because there aren't honest and principled people who would do these jobs, but because the system itself (as it stands today) lends itself to corruption. Make laws that make it extremely illegal to accept money for anything involving your service as a politician and it won't be long before the people who care about money first and foremost find another line of work.


Who do you suggest we get to write and pass those laws?



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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Crush the apples and make cider.







 
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