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Socialist Utopia of Venezuela Tells People to Eat Their Pets

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posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 08:33 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

'Cause that's just 1step away from them eating the children and then final act of each each other..

Then there won't BE a Venezuela.. well.. it will still be there...but...empty.




posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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a reply to: mysterioustranger


I'd rather cook grass and leaves. Nothing wrong with not eating meat.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Bone75

What? Personal responsibility?


Yeah there ya go... bury your head in the sand and pretend that no one has been blown to pieces or starved to death to preserve the petro-dollar's dominance.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: xuenchen

'Cause that's just 1step away from them eating the children and then final act of each each other..

Then there won't BE a Venezuela.. well.. it will still be there...but...empty.


Wasn't that supposed to happen over a year ago?

Venezuela Is Officially Out Of Food

Some folks never grow tired of our own propaganda.


edit on 17-9-2017 by Bone75 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 07:10 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
Venezuela does not have a socialist government or society.

Your headline is inaccurate. Surprise.



Wrong Phage... Your left-wing/socialist ideals are being shown for what they truly are and you all always claim the same thing when the reality of your views are shown for all to see.

Venezuela is a full blown communist regime. To be communist, you have to be socialist. Not all socialists are communist, but all communists are socialists.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 07:21 PM
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originally posted by: Phage

Countless. Zero so far. So, I guess you're right.
Can you count to zero?


Phage, the only thing that left-wingers who love socialism like you do show, is that you all are unable to accept the fact that your ideals about socialism/communism are wrong... It is not that "socialism/communism has never been implemented fully"... Your "ideal socialist/communist regime has been tried plenty of times. Isn't over 110 million deaths and millions more imprisoned under socialism/communism enough?...



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 07:30 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

They seem to be more of a corrupt capitalist economy in which the powerful elite minority have had a stranglehold over the majority.


Really... it is capitalism when the state took over many businesses, and has a very strict control over the stores that are allowed to be open, yet you want to call that is "capitalism"?...


The reality is that even though socialists/communists claim that under such systems there are no classes, the opposite is the truth... In order for a "proletariat dictatorship" to exist, there has to be people who are being oppressed by "the dictatorship". It isn't "the richer people" who are the only ones oppressed. Marx himself acknowledged that the lower middle class had to be oppressed. In capitalist systems, the "lower middle class" are the largest section of the population...

Here, let me show you how Marx himself put it... (actually that essay was written by Bela Kun)


Marx and the Middle Classes

First Published: Pravda May 4, 1918
Source: International Socialist Library No. 15, Revolutionary Essays by Bela Kun, B.S.P., London.
Transcription/Markup: Brian Reid
Proofreader: Chris Clayton
Public Domain: Marxists Internet Archive (2005). You may freely copy, distribute, display and perform this work; as well as make derivative and commercial works. Please credit “Marxists Internet Archive” as your source.

The internal enemyof the proletarian Russian Revolution is constituted first and foremost by the lower middle classes. The expropriation of the expropriators being carried out at present does not represent the most serious obstacle in the path of proletarian dictatorship. In the path of the expropriation of capital the obstacles are of a purely objective nature. The small group of large capitalists has not the masses on its side, and therefore speedily becomes powerless in face of the armed proletariat. The lower middle classes of society, on the other hand, represent a considerable section of the population, especially in Russia — to say nothing of the propertied section of the peasantry. To reckon with the wishes of these lower middle classes would mean the halting half-way of the work of the Revolution: it would mean an end of the aspirations towards the destruction of capitalism.

Exactly because the lower middle-class mass is numerically large, it has retained an influence over the working-class movement. But every concession to this influence represents a departure from the Marxian standpoint, because it was precisely Marx who freed Socialism from lower middle-class adulterations.
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www.marxists.org...

Do you get it yet or are you still trapped in your delusion about socialism/communism?...

Look... the majority of the "socialists/communists" kids and even adults who always bash capitalism, they all are capitalists even when they don't understand it.

Look, you Phage alongside everyone who in this forum define themselves as "socialist/communist" or a mix in between, you are all capitalists. Even the lower middle class that is surviving paycheck to paycheck you are all the enemy of socialism/communism.

Under socialism/communism the person who has a small hotdog stand is a capitalist and hence is part of the "bourgeois that needs to be oppressed."

Even farmers in a capitalist system are all seen as enemies of socialism/communism.

Unless the state controls it all, as it does under socialism/communism, the majority of the people in capitalist systems are all capitalists. Do you have enough money to buy yourself a new set of clothes even thou your old clothes are still brand new or almost new?... You are a capitalist...

Do you have one of the latest iphones, or android phones? You are a capitalist... Even if you have an older model of an iphone, or android, and you don't use it mainly for work but rather for social life, you are a capitalist.

Do you work for yourself even though you don't make a lot of money? You are a capitalist.

Do you make a decent living, in any job, even though you are not rich? You are a capitalist.



edit on 17-9-2017 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 07:31 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

We haven't started AGENDA 21 yet ...



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker

OMG, you almost understand!


That is "Real Life Socialism". A political high / special class and the rest of us peasants.


I had no idea "real life socialism" and unchecked capitalism were the exact same thing. Thanks for educating me.

I guess America is the most socialist place in the world....



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 07:35 PM
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a reply to: mysterioustranger

NAH ...phase 2 is REFUGEES, they ALWAYS haul their butts out and start issues with their NEIGHBORS now,like all the rest who tried Socialism as a government operating system ,whatever formula applied ...HUMANS GET GREEDY .
ONCE that is fixed THEN maybe...good luck by the way...NO one passdes THAT test.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: ketsuko

We haven't started AGENDA 21 yet ...


They redefined Agenda21 a few years back.

It's "Agenda2030" now.




posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: ketsuko

We haven't started AGENDA 21 yet ...


They redefined Agenda21 a few years back.

It's "Agenda2030" now.







Incorrect, both agenda 21 and agenda 30 are at play.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I guess the old one was already shot out of the water, so they have a new and improved globalism idea now, we will destroy it.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 07:53 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

They redefined Agenda21 a few years back.

It's "Agenda2030" now.



They are different. Agenda 21 is still ongoing, and it is the implementation of "sustainable development at the local level".

Agenda 2030 is the implementation of "sustainable development at the national level".



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Venezuela has a mixed economy incorporating elements of many different systems including capitalism and socialism.

Like most modern economies, including the United States.

Venezuela's economy is being attacked by the United States, as we are prone to do with any country that doesn't kow-tow.

These are known facts.


BS... There is no capitalism in Venezuela, and the problems of Venezuela are not because of the United States, but because of the rationing implemented under socialism regimes. But like always, leftists deny that their "socialist/communist utopias" always fail...



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 08:55 PM
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Here is another "Marxist/socialist" source pointing out that for socialism/communism the lower middle class are not really part of the socialist system.


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d. Petty Bourgeoisie and Middle Class. The lower middle class or the petty (petite) bourgeoisie (the bourgeoisie was sometimes called the middle class in this era), constitutes "the small manufacturer, the shopkeeper, the artisan, the peasant" (Giddens and Held, p. 24). The characteristic of this class is that it does own some property, but not sufficient to have all work done by employees or workers. Members of this class must also work in order to survive, so they have a dual existence – as (small scale) property owners and as workers. Because of this dual role, members of this class have divided interests, usually wishing to preserve private property and property rights, but with interests often opposed to those of the capitalist class. This class is split internally as well, being geographically, industrially, and politically dispersed, so that it is difficult for it to act as a class. Marx expected that this class would disappear as capitalism developed, with members moving into the bourgeoisie or into the working class, depending on whether or not they were successful. Many in this class have done this, but at the same time, this class seems to keep recreating itself in different forms.
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uregina.ca...


edit on 17-9-2017 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 09:27 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

Your "ideal socialist/communist regime has been tried plenty of times.


Mine hasn't.

Are you of Kulak descent by any chance?



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 11:08 PM
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politics aside, it`s the 21st century ANY country that can`t feed it`s own people, has a FAILED government.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 11:11 PM
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originally posted by: Tardacus
politics aside, it`s the 21st century ANY country that can`t feed it`s own people, has a FAILED government.

Too many homeless people here.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 11:53 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Venezuela has a mixed economy incorporating elements of many different systems including capitalism and socialism.

Like most modern economies, including the United States.

Venezuela's economy is being attacked by the United States, as we are prone to do with any country that doesn't kow-tow.

These are known facts.


BS... There is no capitalism in Venezuela, and the problems of Venezuela are not because of the United States, but because of the rationing implemented under socialism regimes. But like always, leftists deny that their "socialist/communist utopias" always fail...



So you don't believe that Venezuela's misery has anything to do with the fallback of them booting big-oil out of the country, nor America's coup machine?



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