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California introduces bill forcing presidential candidates to release taxes

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posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 01:46 AM
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a reply to: Arizonaguy

Treading water.
We've been doing that for a while now. Like bodysurfing and waiting...waiting, when the swell has died.

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posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 01:51 AM
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True but its very sad



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 01:53 AM
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a reply to: Phage

The Constitution sets the qualifications to be president and none of them are releasing tax returns.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 01:54 AM
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a reply to: opecz

California introduces bill forcing presidential candidates to release taxes - Well thats great but why dont they also require them to release the names of their sponsors.

More over, why dont trump make it compulsory for poiticians to wear their names and logos of their 10 top sponsers on their jackets when they are voting on bills and making public appearances?



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 01:56 AM
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The Constitution sets the qualifications to be president

Yes.
And the states set the requirements for being on their ballots. Which has nothing to do with the qualifications for being president.


In order to get on the ballot, a candidate for president of the United States must meet a variety of complex, state-specific filing requirements and deadlines. These regulations, known as ballot access laws, determine whether a candidate or party will appear on an election ballot. These laws are set at the state level. A presidential candidate must prepare to meet ballot access requirements well in advance of primaries, caucuses, and the general election.

ballotpedia.org...



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 01:58 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Yes - and neither do tax returns.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:00 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Unless, perhaps, a state requires them to be provided as a condition for being placed on the ballot. That's not a qualification for being president. It's a requirement for being on a state's ballot.

Unless, perhaps, such a rule is not struck down by the courts. If it is, it won't be because it has any conflict with Constitutional requirements for the presidency, it would be about the Fourth. But that's yet to be seen. The bill first has to pass the state senate.

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posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:13 AM
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a reply to: opeczi don't see this not be struck as unconstitutional they might be able to ask for state returns but they have no right to demand federal income tax documents because they are federal.
what they need to do is put in place voter id cards to counter the 10 million illegal extra ballots like happened in la county.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:15 AM
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a reply to: proteus33

10 million? In LA county alone.
Interesting. Your source?
www.lavote.net...

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posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:19 AM
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Yes - and the Constitution set the requirements for being President.

A Natural born citizen and at least 35 years of age. Nowhere else does it set forth any further requirements and that position is bolstered by the fact state voter id laws that require id to vote in federal elections as unconstitutional.

States cant use access to the ballot to impose restrictions beyond what the Constitution says.
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posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:22 AM
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What does the Constitution not address?

The Primary process (mostly because it didn't exist at the time.)

What does the Tenth Amendment say about powers not assigned to the Federal Government in the Constitution?

They devise to the States and to the People.

Who sets the laws, rules, regulations and procedures for the Primaries?

The States do.

What does the subject legislation regard?

Qualifying for the Primaries under the laws, rules, regulations and procedures as set by the State of California.

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posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:24 AM
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Yes - and the Constitution set the requirements for being President.

Yes.

Now, does the Constitution say that states cannot pass laws about who can be on the states' ballots?


The thing is, California is not saying that someone cannot be president because of their rule. They are saying that they cannot be on their ballot. The thing is, there is nothing in the rule which prevents someone from being a write-in. To be on the ballot, they need to provide their tax returns.

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posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:25 AM
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and by extension the state is setting a requirement to be president since the primaries lead to the general.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:27 AM
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Yes and we come back to the fact the ballot is being used to set a requirement to be president. When a person runs in the general can their name still appear on their ballot if they didnt comply with the state law but still won his parties nomination?



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:28 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
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and by extension the state is setting a requirement to be president since the primaries lead to the general.


Nope. Only to be on their ballot, which is their sole jurisdiction. As Phage has noted, anyone can write-in a candidate.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:28 AM
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When a person runs in the general can their name still appear on their ballot if they didnt comply with the state law but still won his parties nomination?

Since the rule is specific to the primary, I would say yes.

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posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:29 AM
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The law is not specific to the primary though -


From the op source

If this holds, Trump would have to submit them to the state when he runs for re-election, or he could be considered ineligible to appear on the ballot in the primary and general election.

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posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:29 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Phage

Yes and we come back to the fact the ballot is being used to set a requirement to be president. When a person runs in the general can their name still appear on their ballot if they didnt comply with the state law but still won his parties nomination?


In every Presidential Election, there are people who don't make it onto the Ballot in many States.

Can you cite the case law that says that is unfair? Or adding to the requirements for being President?



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:29 AM
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See post above.



posted on Sep, 17 2017 @ 02:30 AM
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The law is not specific to the primary though -
False.

This bill would enact the Presidential Tax Transparency and Accountability Act, which would require a candidate for President, in order to have his or her name placed upon a primary election ballot, to file his or her income tax returns for the 5 most recent taxable years with the Secretary of State

leginfo.legislature.ca.gov...



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