More of us than them.

It is time for us to stand and show the powers that be that we will not stand for unequally. The only reason any offical in this country has power is we allow it. Its time we show them our disgust. Our anger. We need to stop the fighting between racial, economical, or political lines. We need to channel that anger towards those who try to control and divide us. Stand up and hold them accountable.

a reply to: Somethingsamiss

Sorry, but the gilded cage won. I don't think the masses will ever stand against the beast. It will quite literally take a massive deconstruction of civilization before the tides turn; but the patterns of evil control will renew again after a short reprieve.

While we are here in the physical plane, evil always wins. That is the lesson.

How we react to this is the key.

a reply to: Somethingsamiss

Ah yes, the Angry Man format. Good for ratings.

Alex Jones pulls it off too.

Who exactly should we stand up and show? Name a few names. Get specific.

originally posted by: Somethingsamiss
It is time for us to stand and show the powers that be that we will not stand for unequally. The only reason any offical in this country has power is we allow it. Its time we show them our disgust. Our anger. We need to stop the fighting between racial, economical, or political lines. We need to channel that anger towards those who try to control and divide us. Stand up and hold them accountable.

Thats called voting

a reply to: Somethingsamiss

People are divided for many reasons.

If we remove the current power who fills the vacuum?

What if it is Socialists or something even worse?

People crave stability.

I am not saying you are wrong, but you would have to create a new Government that people agree is better and that won't happen.

Good luck, though.

Good luck with that.

a reply to: Somethingsamiss

see.. the problem is WE

THEY already have it under control...

WE... can't even figure out the basics

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: Somethingsamiss
It is time for us to stand and show the powers that be that we will not stand for unequally. The only reason any offical in this country has power is we allow it. Its time we show them our disgust. Our anger. We need to stop the fighting between racial, economical, or political lines. We need to channel that anger towards those who try to control and divide us. Stand up and hold them accountable.

Thats called voting

What about when all of the choices for the vote are corrupt?

I absolutely do not condone all the rioting that's been going on, but it's a blessing that the younger generations feel invincible. Although a lot of these things are being planned and supported by some who want descent amongst us, it's to their own folly. You said it yourself, there's more of us than them.

Look at some things that have been trending over the last ten years. It's astonishing actually how much momentum and how quickly some of these ideas have picked up.

Eating organic and local grown food.
Prepping
Tiny houses
Micro news
Electric cars and the push to move on from oil dependency
Awareness of misuse and abuse of law and power by police officers and the court system
Awareness of abuse of power in the banking system(occupy wallstreet)
Youth trading mainstream education for small business
Reality TV about going off grid and living close to nature.

The evidence of our distaste of the establishment and our push to build a new and more sustainable way of life is all around you. We are cumulatively building a blueprint for ourselves and our children in the near future to be able to live healthy lives unhindered by big government/corporate regulations and oversight.

There is balance, and the change happens slower than most of us would like to see, but it's the only way to move forward without collapsing the system. This pace for change is in our DNA. It's worked for hundreds of thousands of years, slowly but surely.

Who's to say that it's not the big corporations and big government politics that is not divided and out of control and losing their hats? It's all in how you look at the situation. It very well may be us are the ones winning in the battle that you're speaking of.

There are safe and enjoyable ways to fight the system while educating yourself and those close to you. Many of these ideas will get you closer to being self sustaining in your imediate area as well, help to build close nit and efficient comunities and help you to lead a more healthy enjoyable life. All the while sticking it to the man and fighting in this battle that you're speaking of.

There is a war being fought, it's just not out in the streets.

a reply to: Somethingsamiss

You've got it all wrong. Yes they put us in a pressure cooker, but we've been the ones to constantly turn up the heat to give them the reaction they desire. We've let people take over the notion of 'civility' which has degraded any bargaining chips we may have ever had. It's no wonder they look at us as beneath them with us being so easily manipulated against our interest. They play the nobility game in their eyes their hands are clean because we in the trenches are so willing throw mud for them under the guise of our 'freedumb'.

We have to first hold ourselves accountable and become cohesive and efficient in spite of them to ask for their accountability. That is the game as i see it.

a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

Yes. It seems we're destined to live in a world of perpetual insanity. Ego may have been the thing that helped us evolve to the top of the food chain, but at this point it's what hinders us the most.

a reply to: Quauhtli

Your reflections give me hope. We really don't need to fight them, we simply need to stop valuing what they value. We need to redefine life and happiness. We could turn away from the material and move back toward societies that value the individual for who they are and not the possessions they have or the title they hold.

I love your ideas on smaller dwellings and self sustainability. The more I read about Gen Y and especially Gen Z, it almost seems like they are starting to move away from materialism. They are starting to move away from main stream education and academics. We can bring this system to its knees without firing a single shot. Stop taking out debt and watch these vampires shrivel up.

I would say that trying to fight TPTB any other way will just feed directly into their hands and make consolidation much easier for them. If we use force they will have an excuse to respond in kind.

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: Somethingsamiss
It is time for us to stand and show the powers that be that we will not stand for unequally. The only reason any offical in this country has power is we allow it. Its time we show them our disgust. Our anger. We need to stop the fighting between racial, economical, or political lines. We need to channel that anger towards those who try to control and divide us. Stand up and hold them accountable.

Thats called voting

What about when all of the choices for the vote are corrupt?

Then I would suggest it represents the people flawlessly.

Remember, we aren't voting in aliens..we are voting in you and me. I can say you are corrupt, but your friend may give me the finger and say I am not.

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: Somethingsamiss
It is time for us to stand and show the powers that be that we will not stand for unequally. The only reason any offical in this country has power is we allow it. Its time we show them our disgust. Our anger. We need to stop the fighting between racial, economical, or political lines. We need to channel that anger towards those who try to control and divide us. Stand up and hold them accountable.

Thats called voting

What about when all of the choices for the vote are corrupt?

Then I would suggest it represents the people flawlessly.

Remember, we aren't voting in aliens..we are voting in you and me. I can say you are corrupt, but your friend may give me the finger and say I am not.

Are you sure they aren't aliens? Just look at some of our politicians. I hate to think they are a reflection of us but I like to believe they are simply there because of apathy. For the majority of us, we still have shelter and food. It hasn't plunged to the point that people are looking for a change. The bread and circuses are still going strong.

But to say these politicians are simply a reflection of who we are as a whole makes me sick. I don't see any ordinary citizens in that group. No peasants that have gone through the day to day grind that the majority of us experience. These are power hungry, silver spoon spawned creations who wallow in the material and corruption. Just watching them spout out their lies and deception makes me ill. I usually can't listen past 30 seconds or so. You can just feel that what they are preaching is dishonest and there is really no reason to even listen. I rarely if ever run into this type of person in real life.

a reply to: Somethingsamiss

The trouble here is this:

When people come close to the sort of behaviour and determination which would be required to successfully dethrone governments and topple corporatocracy for the rest of time, they are branded rioters, anarchists, or traitors by the right, smeared in media both corporate and social, and made to seem like monsters, not to mention hunted down in some cases by the very government whose corruption and impropriety they protest. The reason this works is that there are people in the societies who most need to rise against their governance, who are simply too comfortable to be so motivated as to get them out in the street. The middle has not enough of an axe to grind, because they have homes, they have, regardless of the mewling and crying to the contrary, lives which are well worth living, in their eyes.

They have too much to lose by fighting to ensure their rights and the rights of other citizens, are properly and equally maintained, to make certain that there are no discrepancies affecting any one demography, and most importantly to ensure that they are not victim to easy propaganda on the part of the lowest of the low. It does not benefit them, from their perspective, to fail to arrive at the job they claim does not pay them enough, and upon which labour they pay, according to them, too much tax. It does not immediately improve their lives, to risk arrest over an abstract like rights and freedoms, despite their regular pronouncements about the evils of those who are out in the streets, making a racket and doing damage to mere property, as if that matters a damn when faced with the onrushing, corporate tyranny which is strangling their country.

Simply put, the only people who will ever be prepare to make a scene, to stand up, to inconvenience themselves or others, over something as abstract as rights, freedoms and liberty, are those who have already lost everything because they have been denied their rights, their freedoms and their liberty. Only they truly have the slightest understanding of what these things truly are, what they really mean, or how much more important these things are than the irrelevance of their own mortal flesh, how little an arrest record matters in the face of the risk of losing these things.

Its a rare person who, despite having a comfortable daily life, the trappings of a civilised existence, a good car, a job they can do which also pays them well enough to afford food, leave alone any other commodities, will elect to go out into the street when his fellow human beings are being mistreated and maligned by a government, and stand for them, despite having more to lose than gain by doing so.

It is precisely because such a person is rare, that a government of any kind, can get away with marginalising entire groups of people. If people were not so easily placated with comforts as they are, no government would ever form, which considered itself in any way powerful when compared to the people on whose behalf they administrate, or fooled itself into thinking they could get away with even farting in the wrong direction.

a reply to: TrueBrit

It's a sad truth what you say. But those who have lost everything aren't the only people willing to stand up.

I work with a lot of younger guys in my trade, and I've noticed something over the last few years that has surprised me a bit, and made me a little nervous at the same time.

Social media has opened their worlds up to things we of older generations weren't influenced by or aware of. They are being bombarded by news of police shootings, corrupt actions in their government, wild extremelist viewpoints and quite a bit of other negative side effects of the current system we've built for ourselves today. They are constantly confronted with the fact that they are expected to support a system that is going to chew them up and spit them out.

These people out in the streets today are mostly young people who haven't lost anything yet, but are painfully aware of the fact that they probably won't ever have anything to lose anyway. They don't want to fall in line, they want to toss the monkey wrench into the machine so to speak. I honestly don't blame them. When I was their age I knew something was wrong as well, I could sense that I was being coerced into a system that was built for the benefit of other high up people that only wanted to use me. I've been fortunate enough to create a simple and mobile enough life for myself that I've been able to enjoy the fruits of my labour. At the same time, I've forfeited the luxuries of having high credit scores and expensive cars and such.

The thing that makes me nervous is that the people on the front lines of all this have very little experience. They haven't been around long enough to be able to cherry pick the opportunities that are real and good. They didn't witness the slow decay of once great and healthy ideas, and ways of life. They need the wisdom of the older generations. They need the support of those who've fought this fight already, and they need better direction. It's a sad truth what you talk about because they could really benefit by our standing out there beside them and helping keep to a more positive and effective result in all this.

originally posted by: ClovenSky
Are you sure they aren't aliens? Just look at some of our politicians. I hate to think they are a reflection of us but I like to believe they are simply there because of apathy.

Well hell, I hate to think some posters on ATS, much less the rest of the internet/world are actual humans sharing the same experience, but they are...and they need representation also.

For the majority of us, we still have shelter and food. It hasn't plunged to the point that people are looking for a change. The bread and circuses are still going strong.

But to say these politicians are simply a reflection of who we are as a whole makes me sick. I don't see any ordinary citizens in that group. No peasants that have gone through the day to day grind that the majority of us experience.

I see nothing but ordinary citizens. I luck out by working for a good group of people, but I have had jobs with pettiness, greed, and backstabbing as the norm also and see office politics are almost equal to actual politics. What I see in leaders are the same variation of scum, idealists, and spineless mixes you will find in most corporate america places.

These are power hungry, silver spoon spawned creations who wallow in the material and corruption. Just watching them spout out their lies and deception makes me ill. I usually can't listen past 30 seconds or so. You can just feel that what they are preaching is dishonest and there is really no reason to even listen. I rarely if ever run into this type of person in real life.

Reminds me of my old jobs marketing meetings

a reply to: Somethingsamiss

It's not just the people of the U.S. that should rise up, but people all over the world should do the same. We have world leaders and dictators who can easily decide the fate of the human race with a push of a button. They put their hunger for power and respect ahead of peace and stability in the world.

a reply to: SaturnFX

ATS not full of aliens? Hearsay, why just the other day I read a thread about posters here that are not terrestrial based on their grammatical structure.

But your explanation is probably closer to the truth. I just like to envision that these politicians, with their greed and corruption, are somehow different in comparison to the cross section of average citizens.

I still think that those positions of power attract a certain type of person, maybe even the types that are not constrained by morals and ethics, also know as psychopaths.