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For the undying 9/11 MORONIC JET FUEL ARGUMENT

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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: Peserc
That doesnt change the fact that melted steel was founded on site – remember: thats a fact.


It’s not a fact.

There are indeed verbal statements of seeing molten steel running down this and that.

It’s someones opinion that it was steel. Doesn’t make it so.




posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: Peserc
a reply to: dragonridr
And there is a oficial explanation, and was debunked a long time ago (molten aluminum mixed with organic material)


It wasn’t debunked.

You just think it was cuz you don’t recognize a proper way to falsify the aluminum explanation.

Here’s something for you to research- when it first melts, aluminum stays silvery, like in your “debunking” video. What happens to it when it’s heated to higher temps? Does it stay silvery or does it turn reddish orange? At what temp would aluminum turn reddish orange? Do office fires reach those temps?

Research that. When you find the answer, tell us what you’ve found.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: Peserc


It is funny how so many defenders of the official story start by saying something to the effect "you don't need to..."

Rather than a rational analysis of the facts, a forensic analysis, they start right off with a hypothetical.

I prefer a rational analysis of the facts, not a hypothetical fantasy about what might have been



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 04:26 PM
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a reply to: MrBig2430

This is what happens if you overheat aluminum. In the video they overheat a batch of aluminum.




posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Peserc


It is funny how so many defenders of the official story start by saying something to the effect "you don't need to..."

Rather than a rational analysis of the facts, a forensic analysis, they start right off with a hypothetical.

I prefer a rational analysis of the facts, not a hypothetical fantasy about what might have been


Starting with a conclusion and trying to find facts to support it is not scientific. What you do is take the evidence and use that to draw a conclusion. Your reversing the process and claiming your using logic. You have to look at all the factors involved like jet fuel excellarants in the building the amount of oxygen the temperatures involved and the building stress. Taking one piece and claiming that cant happen is willy,other factors were involved to allow it to happen.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: MrBig2430

I like how conspiracists ignore simple reality. Workers sprayed water on the pile as they removed rubble to cool the pile and prevent fires as smoldering items were exposed to fresh air.

Molten metal reacts violently when hit with water.
Video of water bottle thrown in molten metal.

bottle hit molten steel
m.youtube.com...

How many molten metal / water explosions happen at the pile while water was being applied?



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 04:49 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

The problem, there was other items mixed in with the aluminum. You can say it was pure aluminum? You wouldn’t even say it was pure steel if the narrative was true.

Remember, the continually spraying of the pile with water. Water reacts violently with molten steel.

Whatever it was, would have been a mixture of lead, aluminum, melted and smoldering plastics, and metals suffering chemical attacks from the water and chemicals in the pile.

Bottom line, it wouldn’t be a pure and single thing of any one molten item.
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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:00 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: dragonridr

The problem, there was other items mixed in with the aluminum. You can say it was pure aluminum? You wouldn’t even say it was pure steel if the narrative was true.

Remember, the continually spraying of the pile with water. Water reacts violently with molten steel.

Whatever it was, would have been a mixture of lead, aluminum, melted and smoldering plastics, and metals suffering chemical attacks from the water and chemicals in the pile.

Bottom line, it wouldn’t be a pure and single thing of any one molten item.


Who said it would be you just make stuff up dont you? Aluminum would have been just one of the chemical reactions that occured. In fact there would have been so many short of rebuilding the building we couldnt even guess at all the interacions that occurred. And your molten steel idea is stupid to cool steel they douse it in water. Its the ratio of water vs steel that matters. More water steel cools more steel water evaporates.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:33 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: dragonridr

The problem, there was other items mixed in with the aluminum. You can say it was pure aluminum? You wouldn’t even say it was pure steel if the narrative was true.

Remember, the continually spraying of the pile with water. Water reacts violently with molten steel.

Whatever it was, would have been a mixture of lead, aluminum, melted and smoldering plastics, and metals suffering chemical attacks from the water and chemicals in the pile.

Bottom line, it wouldn’t be a pure and single thing of any one molten item.


Who said it would be you just make stuff up dont you? Aluminum would have been just one of the chemical reactions that occured. In fact there would have been so many short of rebuilding the building we couldnt even guess at all the interacions that occurred. And your molten steel idea is stupid to cool steel they douse it in water. Its the ratio of water vs steel that matters. More water steel cools more steel water evaporates.


This is where the false argument by you comes into play. Yes, you cool and can treat hot soiled steel/iron in a variety of ways with water and oil.

However, when MOLTEN steel is hit with water, it reacts violently. That is a fact. That is s science.

Note, some conspiracists like to say there were rivers or pools of molten steel.




water-molten-steel-massive-steam-explosion/

www.notjustanotherfire.net...

ATI steam explosion in Harrison rocked homes in four counties

No one was injured in an explosion Tuesday night near ATI Flat Rolled Products in Harrison that rattled homes miles away.

The explosion, along Karns Road just after 11 p.m., was caused by molten scrap metal hitting water at a work area outside of ATI’s plant, commonly known as ATI-Allegheny Ludlum, according to Harrison police and Dan Greenfield, an ATI spokesman.

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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:37 PM
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Hi a reply to: dragonridr


“And your molten steel idea is stupid to cool steel they douse it in water. ”


I think you ignorance is showing.

Especially when a link to a video of a lone water bottle being thrown into a batch of molten steel causing an explosive was provided previous to your post.

I am supposed to find you credible why?


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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr




www1.ae911truth.org... e-steel-and-iron-or-aluminum-andor-lead.html

But because more recent reports confirm the presence of molten steel and molten iron both during and after the 9/11 event, it must be determined what actually melted those two metals and in so doing demolished two of the world's tallest steel-frame skyscrapers.


Right from the AE website.

All that molten steel after 9/11? And all that dowsing of water nor rain created one steam explosion characteristic of water interacting with molten steel?



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Just as a note, Salander’s pet theory for the towers was nuclear weapons. A theory with no evidence or science behind it. A theory totally void of fact.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 02:17 AM
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originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Peserc


It is funny how so many defenders of the official story start by saying something to the effect "you don't need to..."

Rather than a rational analysis of the facts, a forensic analysis, they start right off with a hypothetical.

I prefer a rational analysis of the facts, not a hypothetical fantasy about what might have been


You mean like death beams from space Dr Judy Wood or mini nukes with no blast or heat wave and no EMP you know your idea



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 07:26 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: MrBig2430

This is what happens if you overheat aluminum. In the video they overheat a batch of aluminum.



Ummmm no.

The aluminum is still silver so it’s likely at just above melting. It’s not overheated.

More than likely a steam explosion.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 07:28 AM
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originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Peserc


I prefer a rational analysis of the facts, not a hypothetical fantasy about what might have been


So nukes is rational?

That’s where your rational analysis has led you?

Lmmfao



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

I think my last post removal says enough.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

You have time to post, but not time to present an actual statement supported by fact and science? Or actual quotes?

Whatever.......

Want to talk about nukes, fizzle no flash bombs, self destructing buildings, rebar covered in C-4, fire extinguisher bombs, lasers, jet holograms, missles, thermite paint, thermite ceiling tiles, or Dustification.

What truth movement theory do you champion?



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 08:23 PM
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Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood let alone believed by the masses.......Plato



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 08:40 PM
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originally posted by: madenusa


Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood let alone believed by the masses.......Plato


That the self proclaimed leaders of the truth movement like Richard Gage, Steven Jones, and Dr Wood exploit 9/11 for personal gain?

More power to those who see crap for crap, call out when something is crap, and don’t play into the hands of those that exploit 9/11.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 08:45 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: madenusa


Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood let alone believed by the masses.......Plato


That the self proclaimed leaders of the truth movement like Richard Gage, Steven Jones, and Dr Wood exploit 9/11 for personal gain?

More power to those who see crap for crap, call out when something is crap, and don’t play into the hands of those that exploit 9/11.
pentagons got me stumped ,there is photos that clearly show offices with their side wall sheared off.
Visible are wooden desks with computers on them and other office furniture.
There’s even a wooden stool with an open book sitting on top of it just a foot or two from the ripped off wall.
The heat was intense enough to vaporize the plane but not hot enough to set office furniture or books on fire.



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