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Good God now they're going after the Francis Scott Key Memorial and the National Anthem

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posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 02:29 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I thought they had a permit? they announced their protest, so they could get all the attention they wanted.
What part was illegal?




posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Oh, the culture, the tradition, the history lost ... what will we do without them Duke Boys?



I was going to ignore this, like most people do with your posts, but I felt compelled to comment.

The quality of the show is irrelevant. It is the idea that it is no longer broadcast because some snowflake got triggered by a muscle car with a flag on its roof. Usurpation of freedom of expression should draw outrage from every true American.

So now, after all these flags have been desecrated and/or removed, after all these monuments have been vandalized, does anyone actually feel better? Has anyone's life improved because of it?

Black people at Berkeley are demanding minority-only areas so they won't be intimidated by white people. We had minority-only places in the sixties, and black people didn't seem to like it much. Now they want them back? You like segregation when its your idea, but not when its someone else's?

Make up your minds already!

post script - most people do know there is more than one verse to the SSB, they just don't rag on and on about it.



posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Gryphon66

I thought they had a permit? they announced their protest, so they could get all the attention they wanted.
What part was illegal?


they didn't have a permit to march at night on a college campus. they sure as hell didn't have a permit to beat people with tiki torches.

i'm not sure whether a permit is required to scream white supremacist slogans, but such has been found to be an incitement to violence and NOT protected speech in other cases.

you don't know a lot about this, seems like. maybe some research is in order?



posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel
Black people at Berkeley are demanding minority-only areas so they won't be intimidated by white people. We had minority-only places in the sixties, and black people didn't seem to like it much. Now they want them back? You like segregation when its your idea, but not when its someone else's?


i'm amazed you can compare being forced to segregrate, under penalty of law and violence, with desiring one's own space with such a straight face. the mind boggles...
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posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 02:44 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

Funny, I get a large number of replies for folks ignoring my posts; but it's your lie, you tell it how you like.

The Dukes show is no longer broadcast because a corporation made a business decision.

There is no "expression of freedom" being denied because of that.

You seem to forget that the flags, statues, etc. are being removed by State and local governments.

Take up your plodding platitudes with them; i'm not the biggest fan of government at any level as a matter of course.

Glad you got that off your chest.

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posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 02:46 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Gryphon66

I thought they had a permit? they announced their protest, so they could get all the attention they wanted.
What part was illegal?


As noted, the group didn't have a permit for Friday night when they invaded the streets and the University and executed their torch-lit march for terror.
edit on 14-9-2017 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Gryphon66

I thought they had a permit? they announced their protest, so they could get all the attention they wanted.
What part was illegal?


they didn't have a permit to march at night on a college campus. they sure as hell didn't have a permit to beat people with tiki torches.

i'm not sure whether a permit is required to scream white supremacist slogans, but such has been found to be an incitement to violence and NOT protected speech in other cases.

you don't know a lot about this, seems like. maybe some research is in order?


I was unclear about which even was being discussed. I am very well aware of this event.
And no, the right to free speech doesn't include violence. The assholes on the right were fighting with the assholes on the left, and both sides were wrong. (IMHO)

The Nazi's were wrong for looking for a fight, and ANTIFA was wrong in giving them exactly what they wanted. Sadly, ANTIFA has been the largest positive thing that has happend to the White Supremacists movement in recent years. Think about that for a minute. If nobody came to hear the Nazi's, if nobody payed them any attention, what would have happened? Nothing. But they were looking for attention, and they got all they wanted. talk about being played like a fiddle.



posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 02:52 PM
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It's a pretty severe mischaracterization to claim that the two sides were "right" and "left."

The two permits for counter-protests were made by residents of Charlottesville, who, realizing they would be outnumbered, were glad to have some help in defending themselves.

One of many sources for the statements of residents

Who were the Counter-protesters in Charlottesville? NYT
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posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 02:59 PM
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however you wish to label the attendees, they were both wrong.
ANTIFA and White Power idiots (of whichever variety)

Defending themselves? LOL, if not one person did anything to provoke a fight with the White Supremacist idiots, and one of them was aggressive, that person would have been arrested really fast. It wasn't like that. IN fact, if you listen to and believe some of the stories, the whole violence aspect was orchestrated. But the fact remains that when dealing with people starving for attention, not providing any is the best resistance.



posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Gryphon66

I thought they had a permit? they announced their protest, so they could get all the attention they wanted.
What part was illegal?


they didn't have a permit to march at night on a college campus. they sure as hell didn't have a permit to beat people with tiki torches.

i'm not sure whether a permit is required to scream white supremacist slogans, but such has been found to be an incitement to violence and NOT protected speech in other cases.

you don't know a lot about this, seems like. maybe some research is in order?


I guess by "beating people with tiki torches", you mean getting assaulted by violent leftists.



posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Gryphon66

however you wish to label the attendees, they were both wrong.
ANTIFA and White Power idiots (of whichever variety)

Defending themselves? LOL, if not one person did anything to provoke a fight with the White Supremacist idiots, and one of them was aggressive, that person would have been arrested really fast. It wasn't like that. IN fact, if you listen to and believe some of the stories, the whole violence aspect was orchestrated. But the fact remains that when dealing with people starving for attention, not providing any is the best resistance.


Sorry, that won't wash.

It's not a matter of "how I want to label the attendees" the groups were the UTR invaders and the residents of Charlottesville.

If, if, if ... you're speaking in hypothetical generalities. I've posted the words of people who here there, the residents of Charlottesville.


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posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Gryphon66

I thought they had a permit? they announced their protest, so they could get all the attention they wanted.
What part was illegal?


As noted, the group didn't have a permit for Friday night when they invaded the streets and the University and executed their torch-lit march for terror.


On this note, what happened on Friday night besides a march, tiki torches, and stupid people saying stupid things? I thought all the violence happened on Saturday when the opposition showed up.



posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Gryphon66

I thought they had a permit? they announced their protest, so they could get all the attention they wanted.
What part was illegal?


As noted, the group didn't have a permit for Friday night when they invaded the streets and the University and executed their torch-lit march for terror.


On this note, what happened on Friday night besides a march, tiki torches, and stupid people saying stupid things? I thought all the violence happened on Saturday when the opposition showed up.


I thought you said you were "very familiar" with the situation ... I posted a direct link to a report on what happened Friday night above. If you don't like the ideological flavor of that source, just Google "Friday night torch march Nazis" and you'll come up with plenty.



posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 03:09 PM
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I'm afraid you didn't answer the question. And sources also said that busloads of people wearing both ANTIFA shirts and KKK shirts came from the same busses. May be true, may be lies, I wasn't there.

But was the violence on Saturday? All the reports and discussions I heard were about Saturday and not Friday night. Is that not correct??



posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 03:12 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
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The NWO is the central banking system that is worldwide.

It controls 90% of life on Earth right now.





Ya, like I said....conspiratorial bull#.


Do socialists love central banks? I'd have figured central banking was part of the 1% I was told so much about.



posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm afraid you didn't answer the question. And sources also said that busloads of people wearing both ANTIFA shirts and KKK shirts came from the same busses. May be true, may be lies, I wasn't there.

But was the violence on Saturday? All the reports and discussions I heard were about Saturday and not Friday night. Is that not correct??



"Sources said" ? Yeah, a conservative "internet personality" had an interview on their website that made that claim which was corroborated by exactly no one else.

The UTR terrorists staged an illegal torch-lit march through the streets of Charlottesville VA on Friday night before the UTR permitted event. They were armed and chanting Nazi slogans, carrying Nazi flags, etc. They advanced on a group of University students and surrounded and assaulted them.



posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 03:15 PM
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I am not sure what it is you are trying to argue here. Free speech doesn't include violence. Even if you think you are right.
If people were violent, then they were wrong. Do you disagree?



posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm afraid you didn't answer the question. And sources also said that busloads of people wearing both ANTIFA shirts and KKK shirts came from the same busses. May be true, may be lies, I wasn't there.

But was the violence on Saturday? All the reports and discussions I heard were about Saturday and not Friday night. Is that not correct??



"Sources said" ? Yeah, a conservative "internet personality" had an interview on their website that made that claim which was corroborated by exactly no one else.

The UTR terrorists staged an illegal torch-lit march through the streets of Charlottesville VA on Friday night before the UTR permitted event. They were armed and chanting Nazi slogans, carrying Nazi flags, etc. They advanced on a group of University students and surrounded and assaulted them.


Up to the assault part, it was something I'd say falls under free speech. Obviously, the assault was wrong and should be dealt with by police. While vigilante justice or as we like to say "Country justice" might feel good, it's also wrong, just as wrong at the initial assault. That has been my position and likely will continue to be so unless someone can convince me otherwise.

ETA: and to be fair, you also used "sources say" and I never validated that story, just mentioned it's existence. So who gets to decide which "sources" are most correct?
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posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Gryphon66

I am not sure what it is you are trying to argue here. Free speech doesn't include violence. Even if you think you are right.
If people were violent, then they were wrong. Do you disagree?



My arguments are above and clear; you've started asking me questions and I've responded.

To answer these last ones:

Free speech does not include violence. There are some cases in which graffiti could be categorized as a speech act or expression. However, in most places it's a misdemeanor, so that kind of expression carries a price.

Violence (including vandalism) used for political intimidation or effect is wrong.

Violence used, when protecting oneself from assault or credible threat, is a basic human right.



posted on Sep, 14 2017 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66


Violence used, when protecting oneself from assault or credible threat, is a basic human right.


And do you feel like showing up to a nazi rally with hoods, baseball bats, and pepper spray, balloons filled with piss, was just some innocent folks protecting themselves?



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