SCI/TECH: Canada Unleashes Terminator Bombshell, page 1
Pages: <<  1    2  >>
ATS Members have flagged this thread 0 times
Topic started on 9-2-2005 @ 11:05 PM by soficrow
A leaked confidential document reveals that the Canadian government will attempt to overturn an international moratorium on Terminator sterilization technology at a UN meeting in Bangkok this week. Negotiators are instructed to "block consensus" on any other option. "The Canadian government is doing the dirty work for the multinational gene giants and the US government," says ETC Group Executive Director Pat Mooney. "Canada is about to launch a devastating kick in the stomach to the world's most vulnerable farmers - the 1.4 billion people who depend on farm saved seed." "Terminator" is the genetic modification that makes grain seeds sterile, and prevents small farmers from saving seeds for planting. The full leaked text of the Canadian government's instructions to its negotiators on Terminator/GURTS is posted at the ETC Group Organization's website.






www.etcgroup.org
A confidential document leaked today to ETC Group reveals that the Canadian government, at a United Nations meeting in Bangkok (Feb 7-11), will attempt to overturn an international moratorium on genetic seed sterilisation technology (known universally as Terminator). Even worse, the Canadian government has instructed its negotiators to "block consensus" on any other option.

"Canada is about to launch a devastating kick in the stomach to the world's most vulnerable farmers - the 1.4 billion people who depend on farm saved seed," said ETC Group Executive Director Pat Mooney speaking from Ottawa. "The Canadian government is doing the dirty work for the multinational gene giants and the US government. Even Monsanto wasn't prepared to be this upfront and nasty. Canada is betraying Farmers' Rights and food sovereignty everywhere."

The Leaked Text and Government Instructions



Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



The use of Terminator is seen as the death knell to small natural farming, and as forcing genetic modifications of food on the world.

"It is outrageous that Canada is backing an anti-farmer technology and shameful that it will 'block consensus' on any other outcome. Governments from around the world must not accept this bullying tactic," says ETC Group's Hope Shand. "If Canada blocks decision-making on this issue, the moratorium will be in jeopardy and terminator seeds will be commercialized ending up in the fields of small farmers."

The European Union supports the existing moratorium, and many African and Asian governments are calling for a ban on Terminator. Civil society and Indigenous Peoples in Bangkok want Canada to stop endorsing Terminator.


.



[edit on 9-2-2005 by soficrow]


reply posted on 10-2-2005 @ 04:01 AM by The Vagabond
This is scarry. It goes way beyond mere profiteering or even oppression of poor nations. This is about control of the food supply. Think about it; they are going to drive natural crops into extinction in many parts of the world, and in the future if you don't play ball with the NWO you can't eat, and growing your own will not be an option.
Ok, finish rolling your eyes and fix them back on the screen. This is a legitimate concern. I'm not saying that the evil powers that be are planning to starve everyone who doesn't surrender their sovreignity. I'm just saying that a few giant corporations capable of being controlled by the nations which host them will have it within their power to with hold food supplies, and in time of war this would almost certainly happen.

I have a developing opinion that the 3rd world needs to start standing up for itself against 1st world bullying. They need to withold their resources, pitch their collective weight against us in the UN, including attempts to expell members who support Terminator, and if need be I think this is one of those issues they should be willing to fight a war over. Just for example, if I'm the Iraqi interim government I'd be planning for the moment the US leaves so that I could cooperate with Iran on an invasion of Saudi Arabia and withhold oil supplies until they give us natural crops again. They'd get their butt kicked, but how many times do you think corporate gangsters can go fight over there before its not worth the money?


reply posted on 10-2-2005 @ 07:25 AM by cryptorsa1001

small farmers in canada have been getting sued for years over the odd pattented plant popping up in their crops because the pollin floats over the fence and the "altered" genes mix with the farmers strain....


This is mostly a ploy to get the family farmers land. There is an organization that is helping small farmers out. I have contributed to them for years now.

Farmaid.org

Farmaid sent me an e-mail about this subject late last year. I sent an e-mail to my state and federal represenatives asking them not to go through with this. I suggest you guys do the same and get your friends and family to get involved.

here are a few links to sites about good food you may be interested in.

eatwell

organic consumers

eco labels

Here is another link talking about a trade agreement trying to force

[edit on 10-2-2005 by cryptorsa1001]
terminator technology on Thailand.

[edit on 10-2-2005 by cryptorsa1001]

[edit on 10-2-2005 by cryptorsa1001]


reply posted on 10-2-2005 @ 07:30 AM by The Vagabond
Originally posted by Urn
woh...wait a minute here!!!

what exactly does this strain do?.....does it cross furtilize with natural ungenetically altered strains and render them sterile??...
cause if not........
isn' this a good thing?

small farmers in canada have been getting sued for years over the odd pattented plant popping up in their crops because the pollin floats over the fence and the "altered" genes mix with the farmers strain....

this way at least the crops arent reproductivly compattable....thats GOT to be a good thing...

and to john nada....ya...i thought the same thing about terminators when i read the title of this thread myself...lol

[edit on 10-2-2005 by Urn]


Patented crops are patently ridiculous. We're toying with people's ability to eat in the name of profit. We need to look at government funding for modified crops and creative foreign trade programs to increase the demand for crops. Manipulating supply of vital resources to force the price up just isn't the answer. The markets are there- people are starving and governments are paying farmers NOT to grow crops. All we have to do is be creative about methods of payment to open up those markets in impovrished nations.

From here on I'll be digressing into underlying topics, not 100% touching on Terminator.

For example you take a nation which has a high rate of unemployment, few resources, but relative political stability. This nation may have a neighbor which has many resouces but is unstable. You trade food, education, infrastructure, etc for peacekeepers from that nation who help stabilize the neighboring nation and open up development and trade of the neighbors resouces for which you can also feed and build the neighboring nation in trade. That nation grows rich and inevitably will need more domestic consumers, more resources, more habitable land or whatever the case may be, so it can annex a smaller unstable nearby nation and your trade spreads to that nation. If this smacks of imperialism that's because it IS imperialism. The thing is we are already engaged in imperialistic ventures, except that rather than opening up mutually beneficial trade which builds an economy in the other nation, we have sent our own companies in to do the work thereby keeping most of the profit in our own economy and out of theirs. This is self defeating in the national sense of course, although very lucrative for corporations, because for every nation we leave in chaos there are fewer resources, more expenditures on aid and peacekeeping, more threats to global security, and fewer markets for export.

China, being major exporters, are far more likely to take up such a burden than America. Mark my words as time goes on China is going to take an active interest in nation building in South America and Africa and it's going to pay off very nicely for them.


reply posted on 10-2-2005 @ 08:36 AM by Nygdan
From the above

either end of the blocking DNA are put special DNA pieces that can be recognized by a particular enzyme, such as the enzyme called recombinase. Whenever the recombinase encounters these DNA pieces, the DNA is cut precisely at the outside of each piece, and the cut ends of the DNA fuse together, with the result that the blocking DNA is removed. When this happens, the seed-specific promoter is right next to the toxin coding sequence, and is able to function in making the toxin[...] The Terminator patent solves the dilemma by preventing recombinase from acting until just before the farmers plant their seeds.

So recombinase will occur naturally and must be prevented to allow seeds to sprout.

They propose putting a recombinase coding sequence next to a promoter that is always active -- in all cells, at all times -- but that is repressed. The promoter can be made active again -- derepressed -- by a chemical treatment. Therefore, the seed sellers can treat the seeds right before planting, thus allowing the recombinase to be made then, but not before.[...] They propose putting a recombinase coding sequence next to a promoter that is always active -- in all cells, at all times -- but that is repressed. The promoter can be made active again -- derepressed -- by a chemical treatment. Therefore, the seed sellers can treat the seeds right before planting, thus allowing the recombinase to be made then, but not before.

So instead they've made additional modifications, so that the seeds have to be treated in order to produce sterile seeds. And they don't give the farmers actual seeds, but very immature seedlings.


Thus, after the recombinase enzyme does its work, the plant grows normally from germination, through growth of stems, leaves, roots, and all the way through flower formation, pollination and most of seed development. Then, on cue, the seeds die.


Will the Terminator spread to other plants?

It is likely that Terminator will kill the seeds of neighboring plants of the same species, under certain conditions.

Bad news, but also a requirement of GM tech, to prevent spreading.

The scenario might go like this: when farmers plant the Terminator seeds, the seeds already will have been treated with tetracycline, and thus the recombinase will have acted, and the toxin coding sequence will be next to the seed-specific promoter, and will be ready to act when the end of seed development comes around. The seeds will grow into plants, and make pollen. Every pollen grain will carry a ready-to-act toxin gene. If the Terminator crop is next to a field planted in a normal variety, and pollen is taken by insects or the wind to that field, any eggs fertilized by the Terminator pollen will now have one toxin gene. It will be activated late in that seed's development, and the seed will die.


Only when that seed is planted, and doesn't germinate, will the change become apparent.

Dear god that could be a disaster. They won't know until the growing season has started? Would this not mean that they can't replant?

Terminator has been proposed as a method to prevent just such escapes of GMOs and their genes. However, Terminator is not likely to function well for such purposes[...]
is unlikely that any tetracycline treatment will be 100% effective. For various reasons, some seeds may not respond, or take up enough tetracycline to activate recombinase. In such cases, the plants growing from the unaffected seeds would look just like all the others, but would grow up to make pollen carrying a non-functional toxin gene.


GM crops have to be made so as to not hybridize with non modified types. This, apparently, does not do that. It simply kills hybrids.

Google Scholar Results on terminator Seed
Some of the criticism is over plants that haven't had the terminator gene activated cross pollinating with other plants and resulting in a spread of the terminator technology into the regular plants, but the terminator technology requires activation by treatment with anti-biotics, in fact a specific anti-biotic, so I don't see that as being a very likely problem. One might ask, 'what if the repressor gene becomes non functional'? This would probably happen via mutation, occuring in germline cell formation, and result in a plant producing pollen that can hybridize with regular plants and 'terminate seed sprouting'. But that effect in itself won't 'spread', it will be limited to one generation, and might, conceivably, be countered by cross fertilization with plants that do have a functional repressor gene..

Nevertheless, it is not permissable to have a 'seed function termination' sequence in the regular population of plants.

I've got to say, this does seem like a bad technology that Monsanto has purchased. However, they have decided to not use it. This new canadian issue shows that there might need to be global regulations about it.

Where are the third world countries that would suffer from this on this matter? They need to promote it in the UN and other global forums.

Instead of producing dud seeds, which will allways be a danger, perhaps producing plants that don't produce pollen would be a better idea? Plants that can't fertilize?


reply posted on 10-2-2005 @ 08:57 AM by soficrow
Originally posted by John Nada
Bah! I'm so disappointed! When I read the headline of the story I thought Canada had invested in a bunch of Cyberdyne Systems Model 101 Series T-800 Terminators, ready to kick the arse of anyone who messed with their country. I feel very let down...



Gotcha! ...Fyi - it's hard to write short headlines.

Also FYI - with this kind of Terminator, corporations won't need the US military to front run for them any more, nor any Cyberdine Terminators...


Good links cryptorsa1001 and Nygdan. Thanks. ...and thanks for all the info and discussion everyone.


Chakotay asks,
...do you think we have passed some kind of 'point of no return' or can we still save the world? How?

My response: IMO - the world will save herself. It's humanity we need to worry about. The way it's playing, there is a 'chosen elite' slated for survival. The rest of us are being thrown to the wolves.

How can we stop it?

astral ice says - this should be a wake up call.

MadGrimbo says, truely a sit up and start to protest moment


...People don't care because they don't understand the science and economics - most think it's all "too complicated." ...We need to educate, and explain simply, respectfully and patiently how it works, and how we're getting shafted. ...AND that we're picking up the tab for our own executions, by allowing our hard-earned tax dollars go to support international corporations. ...and we need to be repetitive. That's the secret and strength of the corporate marketing campaigns - if you hear something a 1000 times, it must be true...

We need to fight back - for the hearts and minds of ordinary people - for our planet, and our lives... We CAN stop it. But it's gonna be tight.



.



.
Pages: <<  1    2  >>    ^^TOP^^



Russian scientists reach buried Antarctic Lake Vostok
  Posted 3 days ago with 81 member flags
Monsanto quits as GM results announced (EUROPE)
  Posted 4 days ago with 72 member flags
Strange noises reported around North Battleford
  Posted 15 days ago with 67 member flags
Ayatollah: Kill all Jews, annihilate Israel
  Posted 3 days ago with 48 member flags
Is it morally wrong to take a life? Not really, say bioethicists
  Posted 9 days ago with 37 member flags