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Yes the KKK was Always a Leftwing Organization started by Democrats

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posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Seriously, you need to learn to make an intelligent argument...


Oh the irony! It hurts!




posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Because the sins of the father don't translate to the sins of the child. The KKK is full of Republicans today. They are at fault for housing them currently. Not Democrats.

ETA: Like I seriously cannot understand what it is with conservative's aversion to accepting that they have racists in their midst.


Fine. I agree with that. The sins of the father do not translate to the sins of the son. So stop blaming the son for all the hateful things done by the father. In other words, stop blaming republicans for all the hateful things done by the kkk when it was democrats.

Simple, isn't it?



posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Heck, you felt entitled to speak for me when you don't.


Don't want me to speak for you? Then don't be so disingenuous to not answer my questions in full. Hell, it was only one line. must have overwhelmed your far-right pea brain.


Not to mention that you, alongside many others in the left in here are making fallacious arguments. That's typical of the left.


Awww, poor wittle Wizard gets mad not everyone who comes into his Klavern disagrees.



originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
LOL shifting goal posts, is that why you among some others want to claim that the kkk vote republican because republicans are racist?


I said that? Quote me. I said they are conservative and vote that way.



Being white and conservative doesn't make them kkk members... Something you seem to not understand at all.


But all Klansmen are white conservatives. Try to follow along.



"What hole are you shoving your head in? We're talking about fascists in the left including BLM, Antifa etc and who they politically align with. They align with your party. Clean that mess up, son and do it proto."


None of them align with my party, Libertarians, unlike people like you, respect other's rights.


Of course, I am certain that my point is going to whoosh over your head because you can't understand the irony of your claims...


And I'm sure mine went get through to yours since your hood is in the way.


Perhaps...


No 'perhaps' at all, it's a fact.


...but you seem to be more than willing to speak for me as if you knew my mind. I'll tell you a secret "son", you don't know me. Not to mention, that you obviously want Republicans to "become democrats"...

BTW, son, I am sure there are plenty of assholes who align with your political ideology.


Your mind is easy, it's all left/right frothy anger. You're really, really simple.




edit on 12-9-2017 by AugustusMasonicus because: I ♥ cheese pizza.



posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

But, we really don't have much of a 'left-wing' in the U.S. We have 95% Democrats & Republicans and 5% of 'Other' as far as voters go, and the leaders of the two major parties are not left-wing, at all.
...


We have a lot more than you think. There are many democrat senators who lean so much to the left that they are socialist, or worse, communist.

Here is an example of many.


In Conversation: Bill de Blasio
...
In 2013, you ran on reducing income inequality. Where has it been hardest to make progress? Wages, housing, schools?
What’s been hardest is the way our legal system is structured to favor private property. I think people all over this city, of every background, would like to have the city government be able to determine which building goes where, how high it will be, who gets to live in it, what the rent will be. I think theres a socialistic impulse, which I hear every day, in every kind of community, that they would like things to be planned in accordance to their needs. And I would, too. Unfortunately, what stands in the way of that is hundreds of years of history that have elevated property rights and wealth to the point that that’s the reality that calls the tune on a lot of development.

I’ll give you an example. I was down one day on Varick Street, somewhere close to Canal, and there was a big sign out front of a new condo saying, “Units start at $2 million.” And that just drives people stark raving mad in this city, because that kind of development is clearly not for everyday people. It’s almost like it’s being flaunted. Look, if I had my druthers, the city government would determine every single plot of land, how development would proceed. And there would be very stringent requirements around income levels and rents. That’s a world I’d love to see, and I think what we have, in this city at least, are people who would love to have the New Deal back, on one level. Theyd love to have a very, very powerful government, including a federal government, involved in directly addressing their day-to-day reality.
...

nymag.com...

De Blasio is one of many democrats who wants to get rid of private property, except his, so that the government controls all property, except his, and so that government controls every aspect of people's lives.



posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Gryphon66

It seems as though you believe everything bad in this country is the fault of white christian males.

I would prefer to just say that people screwed up in the past, and are intent on screwing up in the present as well.


No, actually, it doesn't seem like that at all. That, I must say, is one of the most asinine statements I've read from you, and brother ... that's sayin' something.

Now you would prefer not to use artificial categories like "Democrat" or "White" or "Christian" or "Male" or "Southern" ... or is it that you only want one of those associated with the KKK?



posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
I agree in part, but I cant let you invalidate the fact that it was democrats who started the kkk...


Where did I state they that the original Klan was not affiliated with the Democratic Party?



omfg

Read the other responses. You have to connect sentences together to get the meaning. You cant just cut out one sentence and take it out of context. Attach the sentence following the one you quoted to it and then comment again...



posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Because the sins of the father don't translate to the sins of the child. The KKK is full of Republicans today. They are at fault for housing them currently. Not Democrats.

ETA: Like I seriously cannot understand what it is with conservative's aversion to accepting that they have racists in their midst.


Fine. I agree with that. The sins of the father do not translate to the sins of the son. So stop blaming the son for all the hateful things done by the father. In other words, stop blaming republicans for all the hateful things done by the kkk when it was democrats.

Simple, isn't it?

Strawman much? Where have I made that argument? The KKK Democrats of the past are responsible for their sins as Democrats and the KKK Republicans of the present are responsible for their sins as Republicans. The only difference is that the KKK Democrats of the past are all dead so who cares about their sins?



posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

You said it was white christian males then and it is white christian males now. Yes. Yes it does seem like that.



Oh, come on, let's just all acknowledge that these Democrats who founded the KKK (three times) were all just good ol' White Christian boys and move on. With the shifts in ideology in the political parties in the late 60s, now, the modern KKK is made up of White, Christian men


Yes, it is like that.
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posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

No he is not a left anything. I promise you that. He doesn't even have left shoes. He walks funny but he's not a leftist. Trust me, I've gone head to head with him.
Me? I'm a leftist and damn proud to be. but if you group me in with ANTIFA I swear this witch will hex you. I am not a radical of any sort. I do think black lives matter. I think all people matter.
I can tell you this...most people won't fit so neatly into the boxes you want t to put them in.
Just saying. You'll lose a lot prejudging people.



posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t


Like I seriously cannot understand what it is with conservative's aversion to accepting that they have racists in their midst.


We have more than one conservative on ATS that can't even admit that an extreme right exists (despite the apparent fact that the very same ones seem to be on the extreme right) in general. I don't think you can honestly expect those folks to accept the specific groups of the extreme right.



posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:22 PM
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I ask again ... who does this sound like in the modern world?




1. Resolved, That the federal government is one of limited powers, derived solely from the constitution, and the grants of power shown therein, ought to be strictly construed by all the departments and agents of the government, and that it is inexpedient and dangerous to exercise doubtful constitutional powers.

2. Resolved, That the constitution does not confer upon the general government the power to commence and carry on, a general system of internal improvements.

3. Resolved, That the constitution does not confer authority upon the federal government, directly or indirectly, to assume the debts of the several states, contracted for local internal improvements, or other state purposes; nor would such assumption be just or expedient.

4. Resolved, That justice and sound policy forbid the federal government to foster one branch of industry to the detriment of another, or to cherish the interests of one portion to the injury of another portion of our common country—that every citizen and every section of the country, has a right to demand and insist upon an equality of rights and privileges, and to complete and ample protection of person and property from domestic violence, or foreign aggression.

5. Resolved, That it is the duty of every branch of the government, to enforce and practice the most rigid economy, in conducting our public affairs, and that no more revenue ought to be raised, than is required to defray the necessary expenses of the government.

6. Resolved, That congress has no power to charter a national bank; that we believe such an institution one of deadly hostility to the best interests of the country, dangerous to our republican institutions and the liberties of the people, and calculated to place the business of the country within the control of a concentrated money power, and above the laws and the will of the people.

7. Resolved, That congress has no power, under the constitution, to interfere with or control the domestic institutions of the several states, and that such states are the sole and proper judges of everything appertaining to their own affairs, not prohibited by the constitution; that all efforts by abolitionists or others, made to induce congress to interfere with questions of slavery, or to take incipient steps in relation thereto, are calculated to lead to the most alarming and dangerous consequences, and that all such efforts have an inevitable tendency to diminish the happiness of the people, and endanger the stability and permanency of the union, and ought not to be countenanced by any friend to our political institutions.

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First Democratic Party Platform 1840

(PS, if these Democrats were leftists ... so was Thomas Jefferson.)
edit on 12-9-2017 by Gryphon66 because: Spelling



posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye



But, we really don't have much of a 'left-wing' in the U.S. We have 95% Democrats & Republicans and 5% of 'Other' as far as voters go, and the leaders of the two major parties are not left-wing, at all.


You are correct. The Left in regards to US politics is just slightly right of center. If we were to look at the political scale globally, we are very far from having a Left Wing in this country.



I don't think the Democratic party has any substantive history as 'left-wing,' despite the popularity of describing the party as such. Leftists are egalitarian and for social equality. So far, the Democratic party has a pretty solid history of supporting & creating less equality.


I think, as far as issues of equality, both parties have a mixed record. But we are moving forward.



I am certain most Democratic party supporters believe they are supporting a leftist party when they vote Democrat, but the party really has no substantive record to support that idea or prove they have dramatically changed since their heyday with the KKK.


I disagree. I think the party has changed quite a bit since those times. They are not perfect and have not progressed as fast as we would like, but they are still progressing.



With regard to the KKK, I think Democratic party leaders are simply more insidious about their racism (and classism), whereas they were invidious prior to the 1950s & 60s. That's not a change for the better.


I have no reason to believe that.



posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

Yeah I guess you are right. When everyone you disagree with is a dirty liberal then it really doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room for group ideology and political nuance.



posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Gryphon66

You said it was white christian males then and it is white christian males now. Yes. Yes it does seem like that.



Oh, come on, let's just all acknowledge that these Democrats who founded the KKK (three times) were all just good ol' White Christian boys and move on. With the shifts in ideology in the political parties in the late 60s, now, the modern KKK is made up of White, Christian men


Yes, it is like that.


Nah, it doesn't "seem like" anything. Don't deny history.



posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Shamrock6

Yeah I guess you are right. When everyone you disagree with is a dirty liberal then it really doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room for group ideology and political nuance.


Yet, they require 15 different versions of what "Conservative" means ...

How did we get here?




posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse



What type of "conservative"?... It seems obvious that neither you or "AM" know that there are many idelogies that are "conservatives"... There are conservative democrats....there are conservative liberals, conservative progressives, etc.


Doesn't matter. You made the "typical lefty" statement. Typical Lefties are not conservative, democrat or otherwise.

AM is not a Lefty in any sense of the term and I think you would be wise to listen to what he has to say, rather than try to pigeon-hole him.



posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You're giving me a headache. Conservative liberals liberal conservatives conlibatrive, reservaables oy!,



posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You're giving me a headache. Conservative liberals liberal conservatives conlibatrive, reservaables oy!,


That's called "semantics."




posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

I have no reason to believe that.


I say that based purely on the party's record, not their current rhetoric.



posted on Sep, 12 2017 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Um, AM I'm pretty sure is some flavor of independent.

It seems like some serious "psychological projection" is happening if you see him as a lefty.

You know there are more viewpoints then left and right black and white don't you?

People tend to be more shades of gray if you actually get to know them instead of making assumptions about them.



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