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Star Trek: Discovery Likens Trump Supporters to Racist Klingons

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posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: muzzleflash

Argue with me all you want, but Roddenbury definitely wanted to emulate a theoretically perfect Socialist society for the Federation. Did it ever occur to you that with the existence of a replicator that it 100% invalidates any manufacturing job possible in existence?
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posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 02:56 PM
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This sums it up:



And at about the 1 minute mark:




posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: intrepid

Makes you think. With no money and no means of production to entice development, what exactly is the majority of civilization doing? Surely not 100% of the Federation workforce are officers or enlisted corps in the Federation government.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Robert Picard had a vineyard.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

The 2 vids explain it. Bettering ones self.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Krazysh0t

The 2 vids explain it. Bettering ones self.


Of course. I knew that. Again it harkens back to the whole Socialism thing (in a Socialist utopia people would be free to just better themselves instead of work for money). I was just wondering exactly WHAT they are doing. Not every college age girl can be a photographer.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:50 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: muzzleflash

Argue with me all you want, but Roddenbury definitely wanted to emulate a theoretically perfect Socialist society for the Federation. Did it ever occur to you that with the existence of a replicator that it 100% invalidates any manufacturing job possible in existence?


The existence of a replicator invalidates any current political ideology or perspective we hold.
Everyone would live in plenty and their basic needs would be met outside of extreme circumstances.

Although there are still some problems, the ST way of life is much preferable to anything we have here on Earth today.

There would be 1 manufacturing job though - building the first replicator.
I'm not sure but couldn't we just use that one to replicate more replicators?
And then those replicators could replicate more replicators?
Hahaha....



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Krazysh0t

The 2 vids explain it. Bettering ones self.


There were plenty of episodes referencing off-world mining companies and mining colonies.
This would involve capitalism...and, certainly, in bettering oneself one wouldn't chose to slave away doing back-breaking digging in a dark and dirty mine on a hostile planet.



By the 23rd century, the Federation operated several large mining colonies. Some people even spent the majority of their lives underground in mines.

For example, the mining operation on Janus VI discovered some of the richest deposits of many sought-after ores in all of the Federation, including uranium, cerium, platinum, and pergium. (TOS: "The Empath", "The Devil in the Dark") The Federation member world Ardana was the only known source of zenite. A lithium mine was located on Rigel XII.

(TOS: "The Cloud Minders", "Mudd's Women")

The Federation also mined non-member planets through concessions. In 2267, the Federation competed with the Klingon Empire for the right to mine recently discovered supplies of topaline on Capella IV. In the end, the mining rights went to the Federation. A request to mine the Halkan homeworld, however, was disapproved by the Halkans.

(TOS: "Friday's Child", "Mirror, Mirror")

memory-alpha.wikia.com...



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

The biggest problems with socialism weren't the premise so to speak.
The horrors came from the means to those ends; such as killing millions of people and instituting a supreme state government that everyone has to blindly agree to and worship of the dictator, secret prisons and secret executions, a complete sham of a legal system and the rampant corruption and coverups, etc.

Strangely enough our own "not so socialist system" here in the USA bears many of those hallmarks, give or take a few differences.

A quasi-democratic socialist system, such as that found in Trek, is close to Utopia. Obviously there are problems still but they are different problems from a different era. If I could live in that fantasy I probably would.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:59 PM
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My take on why, 'some" right winged cornflakes might be triggered ,may have nothing to do with production values or such although real hard core Terkkies who are a finniky lot, may have problems with it.
They hate it because, two women are running sht, and they are nonwhite , how do i know this?? Because some actually complained about it, using the overused trope...white genocide pls type in Star Trek White Genocide in your search engine, The New Yorker mag article would do just fine.

No!! I am not being lazy, not posting a link,I am in between PC's right now and my IPhone and crappy Galaxy Tablet don't make it easy..



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

That's a big plot hole - because you wouldn't need a super intelligent android like Data to successfully perform mining duties. You could have various models of specific-purpose-only droids handling all of the hard labor.

Droids could accomplish mining feats that no living organism could survive, on a regular basis with high efficiency.

I wouldn't call the ST (or any 23rd century) political system capitalistic or socialistic in the modern sense that we use it now. There are plenty of similarities and even parallels but there are important distinctions and interesting mixtures of various things.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: Spider879

That's not entirely true.

DS9 was run by a black man, Captain Sisko - who was also turned into a Messianic figure as the Emissary. His 2nd in command was a female.

Everyone I know personally loved that show (and it was my favorite ST series), the person who played Sisko, Avery Brooks, was perfect for the role and did an extremely good job.

Voyager was led by a very masculine female, Janeway, and though I wasn't a huge fan most people seem to have really loved that particular run. She's initially very off-putting but as you delve more into her character you'll see very positive qualities that make her a likable character.

Every Trek series was very inclusive in terms of racial or sex oriented equality issues, and many people on both sides of the current political divide really appreciated this aspect of the productions.

By the way, the captain of Discovery is a white guy (Jason Isaacs) if I'm not mistaken.
Sonequa Martin-Green is #1 officer and Michelle Yeoh (gorgeous) plays a captain but I'm not sure yet how this works (does Jason's character die and Michelle's replaces him?). If anyone knows anything I'd be interested to find out, but I'm thinking we'll just have to wait and see!

I personally expect the new series to be exceptionally good and I look forward to seeing it!



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Robert Picard had a vineyard.


Dunno if you know about this but here's a history inspiration for ya (and anyone who's interested).

Jean Piccard


Jean Felix Piccard (January 28, 1884, in Basel, Switzerland – January 28, 1963, in Minneapolis, Minnesota), also known as Jean Piccard, was a Swiss-born American chemist, engineer, professor and high-altitude balloonist. He invented clustered high-altitude balloons, and with his wife Jeannette, the plastic balloon. Piccard's inventions and co-inventions are used in balloon flight, aircraft and spacecraft.


He was a pioneer of high altitude flight and developed a lot of techniques and technology that we take for granted today. Huge aviation hero.

His son Jacques Piccard followed in his footsteps but instead of going way up in the sky he went way way down into the deep.


Jacques Piccard (28 July 1922 – 1 November 2008)[1] was a Swiss oceanographer and engineer, known for having developed underwater vehicles for studying ocean currents. In the Challenger Deep, he and Lt. Don Walsh of the United States Navy were the first people to explore the deepest part of the world's ocean, and the deepest location on the surface of Earth's crust, the Mariana Trench, located in the western North Pacific Ocean.


They were both giants of their fields, yuge!



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 04:31 PM
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a reply to: muzzleflash

That's why I put "some" in quotation marks, because these guys are out there and they did complained about it, these guys more than likely consume Breitbart's media.
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posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 04:41 PM
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This is funny! No Treky ever, wanted to learn Vulcan. But every decent bookstore has a book on Klingon. Which I find curious. It's okay! Don't worry. The original Star Trek "galactic brotherhood of man/socialist union of worlds" thinking didn't work/take either. It never will. "It is illogical".



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 04:52 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

"They" hardly, if ever, get mentioned. They're probably blissfully enjoying the fruits of the hero labor force. Whishing to themselves,.. "I wish this all inclusive Star Fleet would've excepted me".



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 05:25 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Yes ...some would say a self portrait but I don't really always listen to my wife...FATTER anyway.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

He failed to show ANY motivation for any kind of economic exchange at all.
It wasn't realistic at this point of humanity for globalists anyway,they had survived a nuclear world war FIRST.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 05:50 PM
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Star Trek has always been commentary about society's problems. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country was about racism. Nichelle Nichols (Uhura) refused to say a line which was the title of Sidney Poitier's movie "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner." They had Walter Koenig (Chekov) say it instead and didn't tell Nichelle. Her reaction in the background is genuine.

Star Trek has always tackled these issues. They just never came right out and said it blatantly before.
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posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Krazysh0t

He failed to show ANY motivation for any kind of economic exchange at all.
It wasn't realistic at this point of humanity for globalists anyway,they had survived a nuclear world war FIRST.

Bitcoins or something like it, you never see it or hold in your hands, but it's there, an interesting thought tho, would aliens traders simply use the good ol barter system, or money.
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