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Democrats started the KKK, Racism and the Confederacy...

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posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 01:26 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Hazardous1408

See. Historically, political parties were sharply divided by region of the country you lived in. North vs South. So there were two types of Republicans and two types of Democrats. The divisions in this country were more sharply geographical. Now each side has consolidated towards a political persuasion so the divides are along partisan lines, but the problem arises when people who are used to this being the political norm try to apply these political divisions to the past, and it doesn't work that way. Southern Democrats had sharply different beliefs than Northern Democrats, and the same held true for Republicans.


We can't apply today's democrats to democrats of the past, but we can apply today's white people (i.e. Trump supporters) to whites of the past?




posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Hazardous1408

See. Historically, political parties were sharply divided by region of the country you lived in. North vs South. So there were two types of Republicans and two types of Democrats. The divisions in this country were more sharply geographical. Now each side has consolidated towards a political persuasion so the divides are along partisan lines, but the problem arises when people who are used to this being the political norm try to apply these political divisions to the past, and it doesn't work that way. Southern Democrats had sharply different beliefs than Northern Democrats, and the same held true for Republicans.


We can't apply today's democrats to democrats of the past, but we can apply today's white people (i.e. Trump supporters) to whites of the past?

Can you point out where I made that bolded argument you are assigning to me? Because that looks like a bonafide strawman that you pulled out of your ass.
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posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian




That post got 33 stars


This actually says a lot about you.

😭😭😭😭



posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: Jefferton

originally posted by: Butterfinger

originally posted by: Jefferton

originally posted by: Butterfinger
If we are pulling statues and flags,we need to pull the organisation that started the whole mess.

DNC is a hate based establishment, and is still run by hateful white folks

And there aren't any of those on the republican side, right?

You guys mastered deflection. It's an art. Truly.



Deflection is bringing up Repubs(which I am certainly not) in a DNC based thread.

Because, past aside, how many democrat KKK members are there currently?
Now, how many Republican KKK members are there currently?

Hense the point of the thread.
Dragging up the past does not change the present.


How many violent KKK members are there? How many violent democrat Antifa and BLM members are there?



posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: thesaneone

Yeah, me pointing out that an overtly racist post was popular with right-wing ATSers shows that I have no compunctions about calling out people for their bull#.

It's funny that you think implying that I gaf about stars is a mic dropper.

You read through that entire post, including the quote, and that's what you chose to comment about? What do you think that says about you? That was nothing but a superficial attempt at getting some high fives from your peer group because you seek affirmation.



posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: Hazardous1408

This is only confusing to people who mistakenly think the Republicans were always right-aligned and the Democrats always left-aligned.

The left-wing has always been pro-equality and the Republican party was very progressive and left-wing in the beginning.

The only similarities to old Republicans and modern Republicans are the thoughts on a gold standard and high tariffs (which, incidentally, are two of the few things I appreciate about the modern Republican party).


You're kind of right. The Republicans have always been pro equality. They've never been left wing.



posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 01:44 PM
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I know who the racists are in my neighborhood. They don't hide it, they're proud of it!



posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: Hazardous1408

This is only confusing to people who mistakenly think the Republicans were always right-aligned and the Democrats always left-aligned.

The left-wing has always been pro-equality and the Republican party was very progressive and left-wing in the beginning.

The only similarities to old Republicans and modern Republicans are the thoughts on a gold standard and high tariffs (which, incidentally, are two of the few things I appreciate about the modern Republican party).


You're kind of right. The Republicans have always been pro equality. They've never been left wing.

Lol. The Republicans during Lincoln's time were progressive.
Republicans Used to Be Liberal, Democrats Conservative. Here’s What Happened.
Hell the party was actually founded by a... wait for it... DUN DUN DUN!!! Socialist!

Originally, the Republicans were the Northerners, some of them abolitionists, progressives, liberals, radicals. In fact, the Republican Party was founded by Alvan Bovay and other socialists in the former utopian community of Ripon, Wisconsin in March 1854. It was founded as an anti-slavery party, a response to political setbacks in the abolition struggle. (See The “S” Word: A Brief History of an American Tradition…Socialism, John Nichols.)

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posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: SolAquarius

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Hazardous1408

What I love about this conundrum of shifting labels and affiliations is just how the whole equation is framed by ''either / or'' memetic conditioning. Good guys or bad guys. Round all those others up and put em in a camp with a quick label.
I'm getting dizzy.



It's very binary. black or white yes no either or 0 1
I suppose it is more simple to explain things that way unfortunately people and the world are more complicated then just either or.


I suppose it may go back to simple survival techniques. This berry will nourish, that berry will kill. This animal can be eaten, that animal will eat YOU.

I have read that that whole either / or philosophy goes way back and was codified, at least for western thinking, around the times of Aristotle.

OH, and by the way, I noticed your ''pogo'' reference. You are ''niching' yourself there So. I grew up on Pogo. My folks and their circle thrived on Pogoeanism.



posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

Don't move the goal posts. The KKK and Nazis are conservative. End of story.


Maybe that's why they don't go around looking for trouble anymore... Once again that belongs to the democrats.



posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

Don't move the goal posts. The KKK and Nazis are conservative. End of story.


Maybe that's why they don't go around looking for trouble anymore... Once again that belongs to the democrats.

Trouble like driving a car full speed into a group of protestors, killing one? Oh wait that ISN'T looking for trouble to you. Just throwing stones and being a general nuisance is.
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posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

I agree that they're "nuts", as you put it. But that doesn't change the fact that they've been around for about 150 years, and at one point in the 1920s, boasted that they controlled half of the State legislatures. At that time, roughly one fifth or one sixth of southern white males were members (too bored to look it up).

Klansmen also killed 2 of my great great uncles & completely terrorized both minority groups and the white Americans who took up for minority rights. And their members were some of the biggest backers and enablers of the Jim Crow laws that kept my bloodline as literal 2nd class citizens here. So not only are they "nuts", but they are actually incredibly capable of getting their views converted into law.

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, you might want to reread the post I was replying to. The poster said "then why don't we see them promoting conservative ideas?" and "people associate them with the conservative right, but like I said before their ideas are not political in nature." What better way to answer that question and statement than by letting the modern KKK speak for itself?

The poster didn't ask if they were nuts; he/she asked why they don't promote conservative ideas. A single glance at their official party platforms shows exactly which ideas they promote and why people associate them with the conservative right. Now do you see why I responded the way I did?
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posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Years ago I read a book called ''The End of Work''. One of the things I learned from that was when the cotton thresher was invented it tossed 49 out of 50 cotton pickers out of work. The other one got to stay on and drive the machine. That was in concert with the opening of the mass production assembly lines in Detroit and other manufacturing plants and that is where the ''pickers'' went to ''reassemble'' their lives.



posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

It reminds me of this picture:

Which one is the dangerous one and which one is the normal citizen? Logic would say the one with the gun, mask, and military gear is the dangerous one. But we're not dealing with logical people. (For the record, this was taken a year or 2 ago at one of those armed right wing marches at mosques. the woman was leaving a mosque while the armed guy was a "protester".)



posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

Don't move the goal posts. The KKK and Nazis are conservative. End of story.


Maybe that's why they don't go around looking for trouble anymore... Once again that belongs to the democrats.


Yes, neo-Nazis are planning to rally in Berkeley because it's a lovely little college town, and not because it's a hotbed of liberalism and their presence is in and of itself provocative.

And they showed up in Charlottesville because it's just a sleepy little town in Virginia. Very picturesque. They just happened to have their helmets and sticks because they forgot to not pack them.

I get it. Now the debate descends into who throws the first bottle full of piss at the others, and that can rage on for page after page. But the statement that the klan and neo-Nazis aren't looking for trouble is utterly ridiculous. They adore victimhood. They love when they can piss somebody off enough that somebody takes a swing at them. Because there's no scenario where they can't claim that they're just a victim and people are scared of their "truth." So...no, maybe they aren't always looking to go out and lynch anybody.

But they're sure as hell looking for somebody they can play the victim for.



posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Fair enough.
I guess I just don't take them as seriously as others do.



posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

See above



posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

Choosing not to remain ignorant about a subject doesn't equate to thinking the sky is falling when it comes to that topic. I find them to be an embarrassingly stupid group of people, thanks to learning about them.

You don't really know much about neo-Nazis and the Klan. That's all you needed to say, rather than trying to act coolly dismissive.



posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

In the last two years since that pic, which group has had more violent tendencies?

I dont see any KKK or swastikas so that rules them right out.

Based on cold hard odds, its her as odd as that sounds/looks



posted on Sep, 8 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: Butterfinger

Did you just rationalize fearing an unarmed woman over a military gear decked out person with a rifle?




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