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What God and why?

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posted on Sep, 9 2017 @ 03:45 PM
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I chose the G-d of Abraham. Reason was a mix of Jewish ancestry and good ole conviction. I was brought up in the non denominational Christian churches, and was an ordained minister. Funny thing about the Father, he's not quite as exclusive as the anti god crowd would have you believe. I didn't crawl out of a cave somewhere, and I'm not an idiot. I believe for various reasons, some of which is evidence. Not very hard to find. Archeology keeps corroborating the old testament narrative at an astounding rate, for instance. However, I do not believe he's making every little thing happen. I posit that he created processes like programs on a computer, and these processes keep earth going. Like a set it and forget it kind of affair. Gravity, decay, the weather, ect. Well that's my two cents. Peace on ya.




posted on Sep, 9 2017 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: skunkape23
Praise "Bob!"


 



YAY...
... another sub-genius in the community




nut I once strayed from the right path... and became a practicing Boo-Hoo in the Church-of-Divine-Toad-Sweat. yup a card carrying member for several years in the '70s
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posted on Sep, 10 2017 @ 10:01 AM
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a reply to: Raggedyman


No, definetly not It didn't work then and it doesn't work now Israel as a nation consistently failed and suffered judgement Christ never taught kingdom theology, didn't create a new government, told His followers to accept the law of the land Jesus was about changing individuals not governmentsText

Theocracy did work by free choice till it then failed by free choice. It was not forced upon the Hebrews but the Hebrews accepted it by voice approval and made an agreement with God to accept the commands of God.

When all is done Theocracy will prevail once again. It is proven that man cannot govern man fairly and will never be qualified to govern fairly. Jesus did preach Theocracy all of His ministry but not in this world. Are you saying that people will govern people in the kingdom of heaven?



posted on Sep, 10 2017 @ 06:12 PM
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originally posted by: Sheye
From my understanding Christians aren't forced to believe in their God. They are free to pursue other religious beliefs and are free to return to their former religion , except maybe within some sects over issues of excommunication... but that is rare.

Christianity is one of the religions that grants total free will along with the grace of forgiveness when that free will is abused.

It truly is one of the most beautiful religions on this planet.


Not true..no free will at all..it is an illusion with many questions...they KNOW they have no free will to choose so they believe in fear god and the devil.

They are likely completely deluded and do not realize what is going to happen...and ALWAYS DOES happen to well meaning people who have given their power to a beast.

They feel SOME power and beauty...which ensures they never take things to higher levels...which indeed disappoints Jesus and the rest of the others who care.

A perusal of The Book of Revelations shows no mercy will be given unto them...unless they get out of the way IMMEDIATELY when told too..

They WILL NOT recognize the savior...because they believe man-made doctrines.

Those who have deceived ALL will be brutally destroyed.....and all ruled by an iron fist.....no more patience.



posted on Sep, 10 2017 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Raggedyman

Choosing a religion is a lot like choosing a political party.

It really isn't one size fits all so you simply have to follow your conscience.


Yeah, I know

I get that, hence the thread
Hence why I am asking the question
What god would a person choose and why that particular god


Why would anyone want a God?

Clearly the lot of them are just as lost as anyone here.

They know nothing of Creation..it had never happened before.

We must remove them from power so we REALLY CAN CHOOSE....and create something more, which is what they desperately want and need....but are so damaged they now sabotage us at all costs.



posted on Sep, 10 2017 @ 06:52 PM
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originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Raggedyman

Choosing a religion is a lot like choosing a political party.

It really isn't one size fits all so you simply have to follow your conscience.


Yeah, I know

I get that, hence the thread
Hence why I am asking the question
What god would a person choose and why that particular god


Why would anyone want a God?

Clearly the lot of them are just as lost as anyone here.

They know nothing of Creation..it had never happened before.

We must remove them from power so we REALLY CAN CHOOSE....and create something more, which is what they desperately want and need....but are so damaged they now sabotage us at all costs.



So you blame God for people's actions, you make a great Calvinist

So what do you really want to choose, Stalin, Mao?



posted on Sep, 10 2017 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: Seede

Seriously, theocracy was a failure
Did Jesus try and set up a theocracy, no He didn't
Did Israel the Hebrews get anything right with their theocracy ever, very rarely and that failed eventually
Jesus had to come to end the theocracy God set up. Mankind failed

Jesus
Didn't try and stop slavery, it would have started a slave war
Didn't over throw the Roman Empire, war
Told Christians to live the laws of the land, not make them

Jesus came to change individuals hearts, not governments
Your theocracy vision is not Christian

Jesus will return, remove those who don't want to be here with Him and set up His own Kingdom

A Christian theocracy can not work, Christianity is for Christians, it can't be forced
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posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: Raggedyman


Jesus came to change individuals hearts, not governments Your theocracy vision is not Christian Jesus will return, remove those who don't want to be here with Him and set up His own Kingdom A Christian theocracy can not work, Christianity is for Christians, it can't be forced edit on 10-9-2017 by Raggedyman because: (no reason given)

I cannot see your point. No argument intended but when Jesus returns for His one thousand years government that will be theocracy and it will be the only government allowed on this planet. The scriptures tell us that Jesus will rule with Godly force and not by man's will. This was also the case in the garden and in the history of the Adamic seed.

Yes it failed but only through free will of men, but it did survive at different times and for lengths of time down through history. As "The Word of God" will set up His kingdom for the one thousand years, it will be forced theocracy upon all nations that will exist at that time. The book of Revelation teaches that after the tribulation [Jacobs Trouble] and all of the righteous are taken up in the first resurrection, that all that will be left are the unrighteous. This is when the "Word of God" will return and set up His righteous government. So all that will be left to be governed will be the unrighteous. That is why Revelation teaches that this theocracy must be ruled with a rod of Iron [so to speak].

At the end of this one thousand years, in which the "Word of God" reigns, this end of our existence happens when the world is destroyed. Now the scriptures tell us that the kingdom of heaven will also be a theocracy. You cannot expect that man will govern man and remain righteous. Even the angels were not able to accomplish that and were cast out of heaven.



Jesus Didn't try and stop slavery, it would have started a slave war Didn't over throw the Roman Empire, war Told Christians to live the laws of the land, not make them

That is correct. Jesus' mission was not to change the laws of man and He said that very thing. He came not to change the laws of man but to fulfill the laws of God. His mission was to establish His kingdom of heaven and release the justified souls from the darkness of Sheol. He had to establish this covenant with blood because all covenants were blood covenants. Blood is the life of our existence on earth. There will be no Flesh or Blood in the kingdom of heaven. Nevertheless, theocracy is the only form of existence that God will allow to exist forever.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: Seede

My mistake then, I thought you were wanting to set up a human run theocracy now, not Christs Kingdom to come

With you on that kingdom and waiting impatiently myself



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 10:35 AM
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leeds united is my god with elland road as my church.
at least its real.

if i had to believe in a fairy story i'd prefer aslan and the chronicles of narnia, he'd eat the dumb weak gods the masses blindly follow.
my talking lion eats your talking snake.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

I'm going to add ... why a single deity? Monotheism and Henotheism (many gods, just one which you follow) are not the only choice.

I only hold fealty to a fairly small group (the Tuatha de Dannan, and a couple of Firbolg) but I acknowledge all deities, none are supreme in my eyes however.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

I beg your pardon. That is a sweeping statement with no backup neighbor.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

See as a Hard polytheist (all gods are unique, and separate, none supreme) I try not to judge a deity, on how their followers act. Its hard, given some of those followers say their deity will smite them for being dooche bags



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

Ok Raggedyman I'm going to depart from our usual monkey dance.... What do you feel the point of my post was? Its a phrase taken from a larger post, but I'm interested somewhat in what you think my point was.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

No it is not a tangent from what I was talking about. The whole conversation was a comment about how monotheism "took over" as the major religious paradigm. So while I did not go as far as the brianwashing (all dogma in all religions is that to an extent, yes even my own Celtic Reoconstructionism (though we tend to not agree with each other so its self brainwashing?), I do think it was about control.

In this case Jesus gave a better deity to controll with than say Mithras. Rome had enough issues with uppity soldiers



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

Clearly you do not know what my point was about. I was talking about historical reasons for monotheism in particular Christianity "taking over".

SO it is clear you've missed the point. That is a shame. Others got my point. They even took it to the next logical step.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Raggy seems to be getting a bit worked up here
Its par for the course (18 holes?) when he is loosing his argument.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:42 PM
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a reply to: Rapha

Again this is missing the point about polytheism. There could be many deitys you hold fealty too.

Oh and An Morrigan? She's a Deity of many things (the Irish don't do God of X nor did the rest of the celts)including Sovereignty of the land, War (thus all warriors), prophesy, Magic, etc. She's not a deity just for women. Yes she's one of my deities of special importance with Lugh, An Dagda, and Ogma. Then the rest of the Tuatha de Dannan.



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy

I singled out Monotheism. That includes a number of other faiths (mostly but not exclusively Abrahamic).



posted on Sep, 11 2017 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: Sump3

That is some bog standard Gnosis on your own faith their neighbour. But some sweeping statements about other paths.

I will point something out. Most other religions hold the individual responsible for their actions. Its their own fault, and their own to fix. IT made the follower less likely to blame a supernatural deity for stuff. The concept of honor comes from the Celts (in a round about way) where your enech (face) was your most precious thing. You acted like a dick? You were of no worth. Later in Christian times, they codified what "acting like a dick was" with convenient gaps




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