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originally posted by: CulturalResilience
a reply to: audubon
In that case you should have replied to that poster directly. Those that engage their brains before hitting reply have much less need for luck.
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Brexit is a f###up and will be a total disaster, and those of you who voted for it are now crying into your little union jack hankies..Well Boo Hoo. First Brexit voters then Trump voters. How #ing dumber could it get.
originally posted by: 83Liberty
This is a typical comment from a remoaner. Full of anger and hate with not a single rational or compelling point.
I voted for Brexit and I'm certainly not crying into no hankie.
In fact, I'm more determined and happy that we are leaving!
The only way Brexit will be a total disaster is if the EU, as they are currently doing, try and be as awkward as possible. Dragging the process as long as possible in the hope of us either changing our minds or giving us a bad deal to prevent other countries from leaving.
Even their chief negotiator Michel Barnier has said that he wants to punish and teach us what leaving means. These are nasty people who only want to keep their political project alive, they don't care about the people of Europe.
originally posted by: audubon
originally posted by: CulturalResilience
They stop being refugees when they don't apply to stay in the first safe country they arrive at. They then become migrants.
I think that's right, but it doesn't apply to the 120,000 refugees in this legal row.
I should add, I think the total number of refugees subject to the quota turned out to be more than 120,000 - but not by a huge percentage. I've only been paying occasional attention to this entire debacle.
originally posted by: stormcell
Germany wants to redistribute the million new arrivals that they invited in from Afghanistan, Pakistand and who knows where else. Agree to any agreement now basically leaves an open door. It costs around £120K to "integrate" a single person; translators, english language lessons, social workers, housing, food, benefits.
originally posted by: audubon
I really doubt this whole assertion, in its outline and its details. It doesn't tally at all well with how the EU would make such decisions (Angela Merkel doesn't rule Europe)
the authority of a state to govern itself or another state. "national sovereignty" synonyms: autonomy, independence, self-government, self-rule, home rule, self-legislation, self-determination, non-alignment, freedom "full West German sovereignty was achieved in 1955"
originally posted by: DerBeobachter
Fu.. the EU is right!
But not because of hateful and vindictive ex-soviet states that just want to damage russia now. Not because of eastern rightwinger states that behave now like the state in the middle of europe that kicked their asses, some decades ago.
Let´s talk about Hungary, Poland, Slovakia(the worst rightwingers governments in Europe and the EU now).
Hungary, had to take 1294 refugees. Again, 1294!!! Slovakia 902. Not even a thousand but 902!!!
But they had no problems to take the EU money to turn their (partly)ex-soviet third world sh*tholes into cheap copies of the western states. Without that EU money these righwinger states still would be the origin of miliions of refugees, migrants, that flooded middle and western Europe in the 1980´s and 1990`s!
They still have no problems to take the millions every month(like Turky, which isn´t even EU), millions they receive from Brussels, from the EU. Getting money from the EU is in reality getting money from the german taxpayers, as the world knows since the Euro Greece debacle. So it is not a wonder that those that pay most, will have the most to say, to decide. You wanna have more to say, to decide in the EU? Pay more, pay as much for example germany pays, the german taxpayers have to pay, without being asked. So that this rightwinger nations are able to look like only just build and Germany doesn´t know how to pay for it´s own schools, the digital and normal infrastructure, social things etc.
Fu*k the EU for that! Fu*k the EU for these eastern leeches states which just take, take, take but pay nothing back(except Estonia, maybe). And if they have to take 1295 or 902 refugees, while middle European states took millions(the states that pay most for the well-being of these russia hating eastern miniature states), they start to cry.
What about Poland?
I don´t have anything against polish people(except the ultranationalists, rightwingers, neonazis, PiS supporters), how could i? Some of my best friends are from polish origin, i had several girlfriends in my life that were from polish origin(thank the universe for that!), i know polish people since i can think. No wonder, i live in western Germany...
Often i ask myself if more polish people live outsides of Poland than in Poland. You meet those "a thousand times in a minute Kurwa yelling" people everywhere outside of Poland, who is left IN Poland? And the PiS government of that state of migrants and fleeing people wants to be a bit like Germany from 1933-45??? That government wants to be against migrants, foreigners and refugees? How ridicolous and paradox is that?
And for Poland it is the same like for all of those eastern EU states(which are only EU so they can become NATO and the NATO get´s cheap "human material ", to surround Russia for example). Before the EU money they were even worse than the GDR. 50, 60, 70 years behind the western states, like the neighbour Germany, for example. And who had the chance to leave these states into western direction, took that chance. Not long ago, but they seem to forget really fast!
If you join a club, let´s say a golf club(people do that often because of expanding relationships they can profit from), you have to follow the rules. For sure you should have read them before signing the membership contract. If those rules say that you have to wear suit and tie at the meetings, you wear suits and ties at the meetings.
These eastern minature states joined the EU for good trade relationships, to be able to act as the big boy against russia, to get on the same level like the western states. But they don´t even have to pay for their membership, they GET money from that "club", lots of money. But not even then they are willing to follow the rules, rules they read before they signed the membership contract. They think they only have rights but no obligations, for not paying the club that is responsible for the well-being they profit now from, in this former third world countries.
I would not be sad if those states would leave the EU. Like: No more money, every paid money has to be paid back, in the same time frame they got it from the EU(maybe german taxpayers get some of their money back, so we can renovate our schools, get good(!!!) teachers again, renew our infrastructure, because since our money is used for EU crap, Germany slowly looks like these eastern states looked before they got the EU money!). No EU profits anymore, instantly. No more money for neonazis and leeches! Then they can crawl back into the "southern exit" of russia, begging for forgiveness, for being such a loudmouth with having the EU and by that the NATO behind them.
They wouldn´t risk such a behaviour with Russia, they would creep on all fours and shake while saying "Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.". You would not hear a No. Oooh, they would take refugees and even take a bow and say thank you! Maybe it is that what they want back. But they think:
The west is so weak, so soft, we can do whatever we want, they will not punish us, but will still pay and pay and pay. Simply because.... it´s the west, and not russia(better the soviets anymore). Play by the rules you know and knew, without any cherry picking, or leave and make your own money, after paying your debts back!
I am not saying this because i like the EU, i hate it, but because it is just the next step to a "one world government"(better something like in the book 1984, because you need enemies from the outside, as a ruler, to keep the people caught up in fear), a "one world government" where a few ultrarich beings rule the whole world.
And not because the "poor", "poor" eastern states that are forced to take "millions of refugees at once"... Remember, Hungary 1294 and Slovakia 902 refugees, for example. If i would get millions over millions every month, since years, i would take 1294 or 902 refugees in my country. I would show a bit of gratitude for the fact that my former sh*thole of a eastern european third world country is not a sh*thole anymore. I would show a bit of gratitude for those, that pay now the bills for the whole effing EU and it´s Euro, for those that didn´t hit, kick, pepperspray my own people some years ago, when they were millions of migrants that flooded the west. And not act like a little Hobby Hitler that risks the EU money, the guarantee for the well-being of "his own" people.
No, those states are not forced by the EU community to do something they don´t want to, they are forced to fullfill the contracts they signed. But they would have signed everything to get the EU money, hoping that they never have to pay anything back, let it be money or with taking a few refugees.
These selfish states are the last reason to hate elites brotherhoods like the EU!
They are and were not "raped" by the EU, they sucked on it´s breasts and felt really good, till mommy said that neverending sucking is not everything, that they maybe have to grow, stand on their own feet and pay at least a bit back, and if it just is goodwill.
Would you feed such a selfish child till it is 50, while it only takes, demands, but pays nothing back for living pretty comfortable and good ?
As i said, there a million GOOD reasons to be against the EU, but now becasue of how "bad" these east european leeches were treated by the EU, with paying them uncountable millions other EU taxpayers had and have to pay for!