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originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Gryphon66
Move goal posts?... Really? so the thread is not about "The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left"?...
the practice or principle of giving a group priority over each individual in it.
the theory and practice of the ownership of land and the means of production by the people or the state.
Collectivism is often portrayed as the polar opposite of individualism, the economic, political, social or cultural autonomy of the individual within society; but given the different interpretations of individualism, from egocentric perspectives to more integrative ones, this apparent opposition is not necessarily true. For example, worker cooperatives operate on a collective basis but require the direct input of each individual member. While the ideas of holism posit that a sum is greater than its parts, this does not necessarily imply that a collectivity is greater or more powerful than the individuals that make it up, but instead that the collective energies of all individuals involved produce something that goes beyond each person (whereas, in authoritarian collectivities, power accrues to a person or group who is supposed to embody the collective). Theoretically, collectivism goes beyond considering the individual as the prime mover of society, but instead considers the numerous associations individuals voluntarily form as society's basis. In doing so it recognizes society as a collection of individuals and so remains with the understanding that any collective organization is fundamentally composed of individuals.
Making the state a "nanny state" by giving it more power is what the left does...
The Silent Success Of Cooperatives In The Bolivarian Revolution
Dada Maheshvarananda presents how cooperatives are a strong force of community empowerment that are transforming people's values from being self-centered to actively working for the common good in Venezuela.
Solidarity, cooperation, and community empowerment are socialist values promoted by the Bolivarian Revolution in contrast to the individualism and selfishness promoted by the corporate-owned mass media. Cooperatives are quietly transforming people's values in Venezuela, and the rest of the world, though they have been mostly ignored by the mass media and by many political leaders, too.
note this communist, and many of his fans/friends say "cooperatives are capitalist and not socialist."