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The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left

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posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Oh no... a total stranger just called me a moron for not supporting his left-wing BS bias... I better change parties, and become a far left-wing supporter real fast so that "PublicOpinion" likes me once again...

Poor snowflakes can't cope with the fact that Hitler, and Mussolini were "National Socialists"...

Hitler would even call his "socialists buddies" as "comrades"...






Hitler wasn't just a National Socialist in name. Among his many socialist policies Hitler and NAtional soZIalismus, or "der NAtionalsoZIalistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei", the German NAZI policies included "redistribution of wealth", a "state provided healthcare", to "the extreme environmental protection laws" that the NAZIS are known to have been the first to implement, these policies show that NAZI Germany had a socialist system which was also nationalist.

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian


The common good comes before the private good.
Adolph Hitler

www.quotemountain.com...

Goebbel himself stated in "Those Damned NAZIS".


The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of wages, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day — though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform — but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the fatherland.
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research.calvin.edu...

But of course, the left worldwide have been trying to "re-write history" about the truth of NAZI Germany, because they need to distance themselves from the truth.





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posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Did you sleep through the whole false equivalency debacle or why are you struggling to actually admit, that equalizing an act of terror with protest was a really stupid decision?

18 out of 10 for personal attacks though, well played. You're doing fine impersonating a fascist Dick of a Cheney, my dear antifa teen on a false flag mission!



posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 08:12 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Meanwhile in the real world, according to Goebbel...


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The bourgeoisie does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeoisie and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.
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We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen.
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Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly. It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.
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research.calvin.edu...


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posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 08:21 PM
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Poor snowflakes can't cope with the fact that Hitler, and Mussolini were "National Socialists"...


No, that was actually my point. Socialism it wasn't and national socialism wasn't delivered either. How was ruining a nation with utter madness national socialist? And why does a workers party abolish unions and deny workers the right to vote on union matters?

We call them Nazis for a reason, ya know? Your source is the guy, who deceived his alleged comrades and broke the treaty with Stalin. How did you convince yourself, that a pack of lies surrounding the Nazi party name is somehow a cool talking point?



posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 08:30 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Goebbels, the next honest source for nothing but the truth and the truth only. Right.



You can't be that dense, must be a hot antifa chick on a false flag mission to ridicule the idiots. I want to believe!



posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion

No, that was actually my point. Socialism it wasn't and national socialism wasn't delivered either. How was ruining a nation with utter madness national socialist? And why does a workers party abolish unions and deny workers the right to vote on union matters?


...Err...yes it was a socialist and nationalist state... Socialist/communist systems always dissolve the old trade unions to create state-run union/s... In Germany the newly created state-run union was known as the German Labour Force, and was headed by Robert Ley.

BTW...don't you see the same form of "patriotism" under NAZI Germany that also exists in other "socialist/communist systems"?... The "workers" loved Hitler... Hitler and the NAZIs kept the workers happy under Kraft durch Freude’ Strength Through Joy.


Strength Through Joy

Kraft durch Freude (German for Strength through Joy, abbreviated KdF) was a large state-operated leisure organization in Nazi Germany.[1] It was a part of the German Labour Front (Deutsche Arbeitsfront, DAF), the national German labour organization at that time. Set up as a tool to promote the advantages of National Socialism to the people, it soon became the world's largest tourism operator of the 1930s.[2]

KdF was supposed to bridge the class divide by making middle-class leisure activities available to the masses. This was underscored by having cruises with passengers of mixed classes and having them, regardless of social status, draw lots for allocation of cabins.[3]

Another less ideological goal was to boost the German economy by stimulating the tourist industry out of its slump from the 1920s. It was quite successful up until the outbreak of World War II. By 1934, over two million Germans had participated on a KdF trip; by 1939 the reported numbers lay around 25 million people. The organization essentially collapsed in 1939, and several projects, such as the massive Prora holiday resort, were never completed.
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en.wikipedia.org...

There were subsidized holidays, cheap theater trips, and several other activities that aimed at keeping workers happy.


originally posted by: PublicOpinion
We call them Nazis for a reason, ya know? Your source is the guy, who deceived his alleged comrades and broke the treaty with Stalin. How did you convince yourself, that a pack of lies surrounding the Nazi party name is somehow a cool talking point?


He deceived?...Really?... is that why several socialist policies were implemented under NAZI Germany?...

BTW.... they are called NAZI because it is an abbreviation of NAtional soZIalismus...

As for "it was all propaganda"... It is the same type of "propaganda" that existed, and exist in socialist/communist regimes...




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posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 08:51 PM
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Ooooh..riiiight... Like always, when left-wingers are facing facts about "socialism and it's many branches", you all become enraged and want to deny everything...

The only one who seems to be too dense to accept the truth is you alongside your left-wing buddies...

The socialist policies implemented in NAZI Germany weren't there to "deceive"... They existed because NAZI Germany was a socialist system... But keep denying the truth...

It really does not surprise me at all anymore that you, alongside many others in the left, continue to deny history...



posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 09:01 PM
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facts about "socialism and it's many branches"


Fascism isn't a branch of capitalism either, what are you getting at?




The socialist policies implemented in NAZI Germany weren't there to "deceive"...


They didn't implement socialist policies, Hitler betrayed the workers with dismantling unions and taking their right to vote. That's the diametrical opposite of socialist policy implementation.

What is there left to debate? Your point is moot and a dead Kübelwagen full of broken promises 6 feet under Stalingrad. Try to prove me wrong?



posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 09:05 PM
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German Nazism's "appeal" was to the hyper nationalism of the Volk, the People.

Someone gave a cherry-picked partial quote above, here it is in context:



Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism.

~Adolf Hitler


As has been pointed out many times, Hitler, Goebbels and the rest believed in The Big Lie ... and the biggest lie of all its that the Nazis were SOCIALISTS.



Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not.

~Adolf Hitler


A basic concept of socialism is that in a gradual, natural process, capitalism will evolve into socialism in which the workers own and operate the means of production. Not the rich, not corporations, and certainly not the State. What did Hitler have to say on that issue?



Our greatest industrialists are not concerned with the acquisition of wealth or with good living, but, above all else, with responsibility and power. They have worked their way to the top by their own abilities, and this proof of their capacity – a capacity only displayed by a higher race – gives them the right to lead.

~Adolf Hitler


The cult of the Volk ... of the Master Race ... gives the industrialists, not the workers, the right to lead but only in service to the Nation.



But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State; it is his duty not to misuse his possessions to the detriment of the State or the interests of his fellow countrymen. That is the overriding point. The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners.

~Adolf Hitler


Remember Hitler's "socializmus" is NATIONALISM. The State is the only thing that matters. Every person is subject to the State and the State is supreme over the People and the Individuals.

In other words HITLER and THE NAZIS were as PURELY RIGHT-WING as any group in history.

The Right wants traditional power structures; Hitler was obsessed with the traditions of the German People.



The Germany of today is a National Socialist State. The ideology that dominates us is in diametrical contradiction to that of Soviet Russia. National Socialism is a doctrine that has reference exclusively to the German people.

~Adolf Hitler


In both Europe and America, while there are differences in "right" and "left" over time ... the fact remains ... the "right" is authoritarian, statist, legalistic and nationalistic. The "left" is revolutionary, egalitarian, classically liberal, and to some degree anarchistic.

Hitler and the Nazis are firmly RIGHT WING. In my opinion, so is STALINIST RUSSIA and MAOIST CHINA and any totalitarian government anywhere.

Wikiquote: Adolf Hitler
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posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 09:11 PM
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How is the propaganda bollocks of "Kraft durch Freude" not a big indoctrination campaign when your wiki article actually says so? A PR tool isn't socialism, adding to my point.

At least you use halfway decent sources, that's a start. Why do you think they don't list the Nazis but rather the Kuomintang under nationalist socialism? Hint: it was a lie.

en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 09:13 PM
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The whole argument dissolves against one fact: Hitler not only HATED Bolshevism but stated repeatedly that National Socialism was NOT Marxian Socialism.

To claim otherwise is simply a lie.



posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
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Remember Hitler's "socializmus" is NATIONALISM. The State is the only thing that matters. Every person is subject to the State and the State is supreme over the People and the Individuals.

In other words HITLER and THE NAZIS were as PURELY RIGHT-WING as any group in history.

The Right wants traditional power structures; Hitler was obsessed with the traditions of the German People.
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wow...talk about the big lie...

The Right is about less government control... It is the left that wants the State as supreme and want more and more State/government control...

One has to wonder in what state of mind can a person be to twist the goals of the left, and the right to mean the opposite...




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posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: PublicOpinion

The whole argument dissolves against one fact: Hitler not only HATED Bolshevism but stated repeatedly that National Socialism was NOT Marxian Socialism.

To claim otherwise is simply a lie.


lol.. Because it was a different branch of socialism...

Are you trying to tell us that there is only one branch of socialism?...

Oh and btw... Stalin hated the international socialism that Lenin implemented in the U.S.S.R. and that Trotsky loved... Stalin implemented a communist ideal of National Socialism.

There are many examples throughout the 20th century of different branches of socialism, and their members hating each other, and even killing each other...

Thus is the lunacy of socialism...


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posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 09:23 PM
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Nope. From Europe to America, the overwhelming truth of "the right wing" is the power of traditional government.

The "left" is about individualism and revolution.

I don't have to wonder about your state of mind at all; you're intentionally misrepresenting the truth.

Shall I show you? You love you some Wikipedia, eh?



Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality. It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others (prioritarianism), as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished (by advocating for social justice).The term left wing can also refer to "the radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system".


Left-wing Politics - Wikipedia

Egalitarian, indvidual, revolutionary ... that's the characteristics of the "left wing"

How about the "right wing"?



Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable, typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.

Although the right-wing originated with traditional conservatives, monarchists and reactionaries, the term extreme right-wing has also been applied to movements including fascists, Nazis and racial supremacists


Right-wing Politics - Wikipedia

Nationalism, traditional values, strict hierarchies ... that's the right wing.

You're welcome. Glad you could learn something.



posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 09:25 PM
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Hitler said Nazism was diametrically opposed to Marx and the Soviets ... OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

I'm just going to say that Hitler knows even more than you do about Nazi ideology.



posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 09:29 PM
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LOL... the left is about individualism?... REALLY?... that is absurd, more so when the left always puts "the collective before the common good"... just like Hitler and the NAZIs did...



posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 09:32 PM
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All the sources are biased Left Wing puppets.




posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 09:32 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Gryphon66

LOL... the left is about individualism?... REALLY?... that is absurd, more so when the left always puts "the collective before the common good"... just like Hitler and the NAZIs did...


The "left" cares about individuals ... individual well-being and individual freedom. It is liberal and progressive.

The "right" cares about the state ... laws, traditions and the Nation. It is conservative and reactionary.

You can't lie about this ... the matter is well-known and understood.



posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 09:32 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Hitler said Nazism was diametrically opposed to Marx and the Soviets ... OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

I'm just going to say that Hitler knows even more than you do about Nazi ideology.


So were/are many other forms of socialism... So was Lenin opposed to the socialism that Stalin wanted implemented, and so was Stalin opposed to the socialism that Lenin and Trotsky wanted implemented... Just because different branches of socialism opposed other branches of socialism, it doesn't mean they weren't branches of socialism...



posted on Sep, 13 2017 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Hitler said Nazism was diametrically opposed to Marx and the Soviets ... OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

I'm just going to say that Hitler knows even more than you do about Nazi ideology.


So were/are many other forms of socialism... So was Lenin opposed to the socialism that Stalin wanted implemented, and so was Stalin opposed to the socialism that Lenin and Trotsky wanted implemented... Just because different branches of socialism opposed other branches of socialism, it doesn't mean they weren't branches of socialism...


Now you're just sputtering. Lenin and Stalin were totalitarians. Mao was totalitarian.

Socialism, as Marx envisioned it, evolved over time, naturally from capitalism to communism.

Frankly, you're just full of mud because HITLER SAID THAT HIS SOCIALISM WAS MERELY NATIONALISM and was THE OPPOSITE OF MARXISM AND STALINISM.

You're WRONG and your continued BS is making your argument look even more RIDICULOUS.
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