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originally posted by: MaxMech
a reply to: YouSir
Ummm...yada...yada...yada...weapons of mass destruction in Iraq...Yada...yada...yada... Haven't we heard this tune sung before...?
Yeah I guess what happened in Iraq means that every thing happening in the world is a lie by the MSM or a black flag.
Pssssst, buy the way... North Korea does not have nuclear weapons either. It's all a conspiracy by the USA and the MSM.
Of course they've acted on their own interest. Problem is that Israel likes to choose which of UN statements they want to follow.
Israel should start creating peace from TelAviv.
According to OPCW and America as well, actually. Were the OPCW and America lying?
According to you, this is the only alternative to Assad.
How about a democratically elected leader?
Many here think that Arabs are not compatible with "western democracy", but I think the Syrian people are more than capable to decide their own fate.
They proved it when they started a revolution against their dictator.
Thousands of officers deserted from the Syrian army.
The ones who didn't, serve Assad for the same reason every other soldier serving under a dictator (money, fear of desertion, fear for the lives of their family etc.).
Have you met him?
Never saw someone characterize him as a "cackling psychopath muttering to himself" or anything of the sort.
No one said "he randomly launched chemical rockets indiscriminately at random targets of no military importance". No one claims that this is the case. Your doubt is justified.
The Syrian regime justifies their actions as "killing terrorists". Sometimes it can be actual terrorists surrounded by civilians, other times, it's the Syrian opposition (also categorized as "terrorists" by Assad) surrounded by civilians. In both cases innocents die in the most horrible way imaginable.
When the people decided that they had enough of this tyrannical dynasty they started a revolution. The king wasn't going to give up his throne and the status of his family name. So he decided that he is going to teach his people a lesson they won't forget for decades. After tens of thousands dead and thousands of army defectors he got scared that he is loosing control. Didn't matter how many he killed, the rebels grew in size. Now was the perfect time to use the super weapons he stockpiled all those years. Of course, as the use of this weapon is illegal, he denied everything and blamed the rebels. This scenario happened numerous times in history, thus it's strikes me as far more reasonable.
Remember, if Assad would swallowed his pride and stepped down, nothing of this would happen.
Is this why they never won a war?
This is exactly the reason for the uprising against Assad.
Israel's just in a sour mood because their proxy fighters (ISIS) are on the verge of final defeat.
originally posted by: Ohanka
How fantastically convenient it is for them to miraculously come to this conclusion as the Syrians have lifted the seige of Deir Azzor and are on the verge of kicking Islamic State out of the country.
Also how nice of Israel to act despite not being asked to, by anyone. Personally I'd call that a completely unprovoked act of aggression against a sovereign nation.
originally posted by: Antipathy17
a reply to: MaxMech
Meh, seen enough white helmets faking this bull# that I have to question all sides. I'd put money on these "chemical attacks" being regular attacks on weapons bunkers that happen to have chemicals in them.
Ummm...quite frankly sir...I find it extremely disingenuous of you to suggest that any media...governmental...or quasi world governmental organization has the best interest of any other than their own self preservation at heart...
When we have a historic record of these very organizations lying about weapons of mass destruction...while knowing none existed or were destroyed...then it is specious of you to claim that their actions are noble in this regard...
I am a skeptic...
you've got to use truth in order to sway my opinion...usually...and none can be found falling from the lips of informers...none...
So, President Al-Assad? "Presidential elections were held in Syria on 3 June 2014. It was the first multi-candidate election in decades since the Ba'ath party came to power in a coup. In late April 2014, Bashar al-Assad announced he would run for a third term in Syria's first multi-candidate direct presidential election."
I dunno, it seems to do okay in Jordan, for the time being.
I think the Arabs should stay away from our current system.
A real revolution would be Romania 1989, Ceausescu was gone in a matter of days.
Indeed they did. I am sure they will meet an appropriate end for betraying their country.
His 300,000 man Army are all scared of one man? That seems a little farfetched.
I don't know what else you would classify children's schools and hospitals as other than targets of no military importance. Attacking these targets, and in such a manner, does absolutely nothing to aid his war effort against the terrorists. My doubt is indeed justified.
The Syrian opposition are indeed terrorists. The terrorists intentionally surround themselves within civilian populations. This is a particularly reprehensible tactic of using civilian populations as human shields Innocent people die in war this is unavoidable.
What King? Syria is a Republic, led by a President.
This war is lost for them, and they know it.
Do you think a man should just surrender his country to foreign terrorists.
They've certainly won wars. The 1982 Lebanon War and the Lebanese Civil War ended in their favour. They're definitely winning this one.
It wasn't an uprising. Typically when you have a popular uprising and revolution you don't end up with a civil war.
Israel were treating wounded ISIS soldiers.
They are stealing oil in the Golan heights
committing genocide in Palestine.
They have broken more UN resolutions than any other country on the planet
Lets not forget the Samson option were they have said they would blow the world up
Their country was founded on Terrorism and most of their leaders were and are terrorists.
But this all reads like blatant Zio-Hasbara...
Israel didn't mind when they were using White Phospherous in Gaza... But now chemicals weapons are bad because their boogeyman Assad won't roll over and fall to their proxy army ISIS...
& it looks like many ageee with that here... ATS isn't stupid, we know what Israel is and has always been...
Is this considered a democratic elections by your standards? In 2014 Assad controlled a fraction of Syria, allowing only to citizens which live in areas under his control to vote. Isn't it funny how every dictator out there holding an "election" gets about 90% of the votes?
What seems ok? Monarchy? In the sense that there is a king out there which isn't massacring his own people? Yeah, it is nice. Let's see what will happen when the Jordanians will demand a presidential election (though in my opinion Abdullah is an ok guy).
Hmm, I still think it beats living under a maniacal dictator.
It was just a figure of speech, demonstrating the fact that this revolution in not different from hundreds similar uprisings throughout history.
It is very likely, yes, thanks to Iran and Russia. But every dog has it's day, Assad will not die a natural death. He killed too many people to be just left alone. Sooner or later he will be put down.
Snipped your crap about the wars
I'm pretty sure they are wining this war thanks to the Russian and Iranian generals, not Syrian.
Actually, many time in history this was exactly what happened. Not so common is to sell out your county's sovereignty to foreign countries in exchange for them saving your ass.