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Bill de Blasio goes full Communist, argues against private property

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posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: the owlbear

Recall the guy who died in a choke hold from a NYC cop?

He was selling individual smokes. The price of packs of cigs prompts a thriving black market trade such as the one he was engaged in. You might almost say that it was death by "sin" tax.




posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Edumakated



affordable housing and other leftist crap


Affordable housing is crap?


It has it's purpose, but by in large, it has been a colossal failure. Have you ever heard of a nice housing project? I rest my case...

NYC sometimes wants to force developers to put affordable housing in their developments. So you have a condo building with 1 bedroom starting at $1 million or more or rents commanding $5,000/mo and government comes along and tells developer he has to set aside a certain number of units to be "affordable". What it means is those costs get spreadout to the market rate rents/purchase price jacking up costs for everyone.

NYC is so expensive because of it's inane rent control laws and other issues.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Yes, NYC...ALWAYS with the best interest of the commoner at heart.

NYC hikes price of pack of cigarettes to $13, highest in US

Let's make everything affordable!


Taxes are all part of the "Affordable Scare Act".




posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: Moresby
Nothing communist about that.

He's talking about zoning laws. Which exist in almost every city.

Except places like Houston. And they're currently seeing the downside of that.

The part about 'how much rent will be' would be price controls.
That's not really zoning laws.

Of course, the great leader would want everything in his control, including setting prices.... which is what is happening when they put huge taxes on sugary drinks.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Edumakated



affordable housing and other leftist crap


Affordable housing is crap?


In theory, no. Everyone should have the right to afford a decent housing. Nobody disagrees with that.

Then there is the right that every person should be able to seek the highest salary as possible. That only seems fair. A person should be able to shop around for a pay-rise or move around to get a higher salary.

These two rights conflict when someone is working in apartment maintenance or property investment. What is one persons income is another persons overhead. Then there are city property taxes. Higher taxes are good for the city but an overhead for the property owner. Then higher property taxes drive higher rents which then create the demand for higher pay for city workers and everyone else.

That leads to the poorest being priced out of the private sector. So the city must provide subsidized housing or otherwise introduce "rent controls" allowing people to be "grandfathered in" with fixed rents. That makes property investment uneconomical so it gets offloaded to the city either way.

Given the desirability of a short commute and the demand for skilled people, that drives up rents and pushes other out. They might not choose to stay in a particular area depending on who else lives close by. So it becomes a mutual exclusion game.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 02:46 PM
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originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Edumakated



affordable housing and other leftist crap


Affordable housing is crap?


In theory, no. Everyone should have the right to afford a decent housing. Nobody disagrees with that.

Then there is the right that every person should be able to seek the highest salary as possible. That only seems fair. A person should be able to shop around for a pay-rise or move around to get a higher salary.

These two rights conflict when someone is working in apartment maintenance or property investment. What is one persons income is another persons overhead. Then there are city property taxes. Higher taxes are good for the city but an overhead for the property owner. Then higher property taxes drive higher rents which then create the demand for higher pay for city workers and everyone else.

That leads to the poorest being priced out of the private sector. So the city must provide subsidized housing or otherwise introduce "rent controls" allowing people to be "grandfathered in" with fixed rents. That makes property investment uneconomical so it gets offloaded to the city either way.

Given the desirability of a short commute and the demand for skilled people, that drives up rents and pushes other out. They might not choose to stay in a particular area depending on who else lives close by. So it becomes a mutual exclusion game.


It's a broken system to be sure. The alternative would be lots more homeless people which is also a drain on the city.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: the owlbear

Well, you absolutely missed the point of government intrusion into the "free" market...

Yes, you always have a choice not to purchase something, but it's not the government's job or purpose to price people out of a private product.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

You are familiar with the concept of "zoning laws"?

What are zoning laws?

Finding issues where there are none.

There's a bit more involved than just zoning laws and commissions, obviously... Pressed enter too soon.

It's hardly communism, nor are the problems unique to New York...cities and towns all over the country have the same issues, what can be built where, and the rules involved in the decision process.
edit on 9/6/2017 by seagull because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Moresby
Nothing communist about that.

He's talking about zoning laws. Which exist in almost every city.

Except places like Houston. And they're currently seeing the downside of that.

The part about 'how much rent will be' would be price controls.
That's not really zoning laws.

Of course, the great leader would want everything in his control, including setting prices.... which is what is happening when they put huge taxes on sugary drinks.


I am all about private property. The state has no business setting rent prices. And adding extra taxes on cigs and softdrinks well that just hurts the poor who will buy those cigs instead of paying rent.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: seagull

If we're talking about zoning laws, then why discuss the problems with private property rights at all?

Zoning takes place before there is property there. It more or less dictates what use the land can be put to.
edit on 6-9-2017 by ketsuko because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 02:54 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep

originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Edumakated



affordable housing and other leftist crap


Affordable housing is crap?


In theory, no. Everyone should have the right to afford a decent housing. Nobody disagrees with that.

Then there is the right that every person should be able to seek the highest salary as possible. That only seems fair. A person should be able to shop around for a pay-rise or move around to get a higher salary.

These two rights conflict when someone is working in apartment maintenance or property investment. What is one persons income is another persons overhead. Then there are city property taxes. Higher taxes are good for the city but an overhead for the property owner. Then higher property taxes drive higher rents which then create the demand for higher pay for city workers and everyone else.

That leads to the poorest being priced out of the private sector. So the city must provide subsidized housing or otherwise introduce "rent controls" allowing people to be "grandfathered in" with fixed rents. That makes property investment uneconomical so it gets offloaded to the city either way.

Given the desirability of a short commute and the demand for skilled people, that drives up rents and pushes other out. They might not choose to stay in a particular area depending on who else lives close by. So it becomes a mutual exclusion game.


It's a broken system to be sure. The alternative would be lots more homeless people which is also a drain on the city.


That is a faulty assumption. People would just move to areas they could afford. The vast majority of homeless are drug addicts and nut jobs. No amount of affordable housing will get them off the streets because the issue isn't affordable housing, it is mental and drug problems.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: scraedtosleep

originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Edumakated



affordable housing and other leftist crap


Affordable housing is crap?


In theory, no. Everyone should have the right to afford a decent housing. Nobody disagrees with that.

Then there is the right that every person should be able to seek the highest salary as possible. That only seems fair. A person should be able to shop around for a pay-rise or move around to get a higher salary.

These two rights conflict when someone is working in apartment maintenance or property investment. What is one persons income is another persons overhead. Then there are city property taxes. Higher taxes are good for the city but an overhead for the property owner. Then higher property taxes drive higher rents which then create the demand for higher pay for city workers and everyone else.

That leads to the poorest being priced out of the private sector. So the city must provide subsidized housing or otherwise introduce "rent controls" allowing people to be "grandfathered in" with fixed rents. That makes property investment uneconomical so it gets offloaded to the city either way.

Given the desirability of a short commute and the demand for skilled people, that drives up rents and pushes other out. They might not choose to stay in a particular area depending on who else lives close by. So it becomes a mutual exclusion game.


It's a broken system to be sure. The alternative would be lots more homeless people which is also a drain on the city.


That is a faulty assumption. People would just move to areas they could afford. The vast majority of homeless are drug addicts and nut jobs. No amount of affordable housing will get them off the streets because the issue isn't affordable housing, it is mental and drug problems.



I was homeless for 6 years and your assumptions are the faulty ones.
Me and my fellow homeless didn't do drugs because we had no money to buy them with.
When we did have money we bought food or a warm bed to sleep in. We didn't leave the area because whats the point?
Business do not hire homeless people so leaving to find cheaper homes doesn't work. Nothing is cheaper than 0 and 0 was what I had to spend on rent. I come across more "nutjobs" here on ats than I ever did while homeless.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: the owlbear

Recall the guy who died in a choke hold from a NYC cop?

He was selling individual smokes. The price of packs of cigs prompts a thriving black market trade such as the one he was engaged in. You might almost say that it was death by "sin" tax.


Not really. It was death by police brutality. Selling individual cigarettes doesn't need to involve choke holds. Sure he was breaking the law. But so do really old people that park in handicapped spaces. Are they subject to wrasslemania cuz they broke the law, too?



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: scraedtosleep

originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Edumakated



affordable housing and other leftist crap


Affordable housing is crap?


In theory, no. Everyone should have the right to afford a decent housing. Nobody disagrees with that.

Then there is the right that every person should be able to seek the highest salary as possible. That only seems fair. A person should be able to shop around for a pay-rise or move around to get a higher salary.

These two rights conflict when someone is working in apartment maintenance or property investment. What is one persons income is another persons overhead. Then there are city property taxes. Higher taxes are good for the city but an overhead for the property owner. Then higher property taxes drive higher rents which then create the demand for higher pay for city workers and everyone else.

That leads to the poorest being priced out of the private sector. So the city must provide subsidized housing or otherwise introduce "rent controls" allowing people to be "grandfathered in" with fixed rents. That makes property investment uneconomical so it gets offloaded to the city either way.

Given the desirability of a short commute and the demand for skilled people, that drives up rents and pushes other out. They might not choose to stay in a particular area depending on who else lives close by. So it becomes a mutual exclusion game.


It's a broken system to be sure. The alternative would be lots more homeless people which is also a drain on the city.


That is a faulty assumption. People would just move to areas they could afford. The vast majority of homeless are drug addicts and nut jobs. No amount of affordable housing will get them off the streets because the issue isn't affordable housing, it is mental and drug problems.



I was homeless for 6 years and your assumptions are the faulty ones.
Me and my fellow homeless didn't do drugs because we had no money to buy them with.
When we did have money we bought food or a warm bed to sleep in. We didn't leave the area because whats the point?
Business do not hire homeless people so leaving to find cheaper homes doesn't work. Nothing is cheaper than 0 and 0 was what I had to spend on rent. I come across more "nutjobs" here on ats than I ever did while homeless.


Yeah... and strippers only do it to pay for law school.

I said vast majority, not all. There will always be sob story cases on the margins, but the vast majority of chronic homeless are nut jobs and drug addicts. Being homeless for 6 years tells me there is more to your story than you are admitting.

There are people making minimum wage who pool their money together to rent an apartment... It is called room mates.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: Moresby
Nothing communist about that.

He's talking about zoning laws. Which exist in almost every city.

Except places like Houston. And they're currently seeing the downside of that.


Yes and no. Building size and purpose is certainly covered under standard zoning laws. Rent control is something that's relatively new and started in the more liberal cities. It overreaches compared to standard zoning laws. A city deciding who lives where, however, is a totally different animal and reeks of socialist horsecrap.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 03:13 PM
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originally posted by: the owlbear

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: the owlbear

Recall the guy who died in a choke hold from a NYC cop?

He was selling individual smokes. The price of packs of cigs prompts a thriving black market trade such as the one he was engaged in. You might almost say that it was death by "sin" tax.


Not really. It was death by police brutality. Selling individual cigarettes doesn't need to involve choke holds. Sure he was breaking the law. But so do really old people that park in handicapped spaces. Are they subject to wrasslemania cuz they broke the law, too?


He was put in a choke hold because he was resisting arrest, not because he was selling looseys. The issue though is that the cops wouldn't have been there to enforce the law had government not jacked the price of cigarettes up so high with taxes that created a black market.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

What you supply us is far from what you say he said. He is talking about strict rules for buildings in the city. That is all in what you give us.

--I'm certainly no admirer of him or most democrats.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: Moresby
Nothing communist about that.

He's talking about zoning laws. Which exist in almost every city.

Except places like Houston. And they're currently seeing the downside of that.


The right wingers love to rant. For years and years we heard Obama is going to take yer gunns. But it never happened. People just love to hate. It's all they know how to do.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 04:10 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated




Being homeless for 6 years tells me there is more to your story than you are admitting.


I was a child who ran away from an abusive home. Not a drug addict and not crazy.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 06:07 PM
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Some folks should be given a vacation on Mars . A one way flight of course. Have to find their own flight back



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