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Irreducible complexity and Evolution

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posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 12:54 AM
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a reply to: TerryDon79

So it seems again although evolution in no way shape or form causes creation somehow in your troubled mind you still believe evolution has no need for it...
Creation has allowed for any and all evolution...




posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 12:57 AM
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originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: TerryDon79

So it seems again although evolution in no way shape or form causes creation somehow in your troubled mind you still believe evolution has no need for it...
Creation has allowed for any and all evolution...


Good that you finally admit evolution IS the way things are... regardless of creation




posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 12:58 AM
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a reply to: 5StarOracle

You’re making zero sense.

Evolution is the change to life after life has formed. Saying life was created is an opinion of a creator, nothing more.

So, are you going to prove IC and a creator?



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 12:58 AM
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a reply to: 5StarOracle


That does provide an explanation for creation.
Correct.


Random selection is not attributable to chance...
What is random selection?


The process is based on need...
To what process do you refer?


Where does the intelligence come from for making such choices?
To which choices do you refer?



Those are, by the way, rhetorical questions. Since, if you are asking them as if they are challenges to fact that living things change over time, it quite vividly demonstrates that you do not understand the concept. But please, if you do understand, please elucidate and answer the questions.



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:00 AM
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a reply to: Akragon

I have never fully dismissed evolution ever...
Evolution is not responsible for the intelligence which allows for it...
That would be like saying it's responsible for creation...
Because the intelligence for it to be possible would have to be in place first...
That is sufficient proof of intelligent design...



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:01 AM
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originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Akragon

I have never fully dismissed evolution ever...
Evolution is not responsible for the intelligence which allows for it...
That would be like saying it's responsible for creation...
Because the intelligence for it to be possible would have to be in place first...
That is sufficient proof of intelligent design...


That’s an assumption for ID. Something you have yet to prove.

Something else you have yet to prove is IC and a creator.



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:02 AM
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a reply to: 5StarOracle
Do you get dizzy?
Thinking in circles like that?



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:03 AM
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a reply to: TerryDon79

Someone or something had to do it...
I know evolution didn't...
Did evolution provide the rules and laws of science?
Did it develop genetic code?
You know the language more advanced than anything man has ever written as code...



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:06 AM
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a reply to: 5StarOracle


Someone or something had to do it...

By this, you mean a creator? If so, prove it.


I know evolution didn't...

Correct, because evolution doesn’t deal with how life started.

The rest of your post is just ridiculous as it has nothing to do with what evolution is.
edit on 4122017 by TerryDon79 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:09 AM
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a reply to: TerryDon79

Things exist...
So things were created...
Bottom line...
There is no deviating from reality...
It does not have to be my God that's just what I believe...
Whatever did though is God by definition and there was great intelligence involved...



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:10 AM
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I have never fully dismissed evolution ever...


So... i take it you haven't been reading the thread, or your contributions to it?




posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:12 AM
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originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: TerryDon79

Things exist...
So things were created...
Bottom line...
There is no deviating from reality...
It does not have to be my God that's just what I believe...
Whatever did though is God by definition and there was great intelligence involved...


So your reply is simply a god of the gaps fallacy. God did it.

Same way people used to think their god made volcanoes erupt, crops to fail and the sun rise.



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:13 AM
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a reply to: Akragon

Why because I said evolution and the way it's portrayed is a lie?



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:14 AM
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So you’ve never dismissed evolution, but it’s a lie?

Do you read what you post?



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:14 AM
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originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Akragon

Why because I said evolution and the way it's portrayed is a lie?


yeah thats one reason...

You have a better model?




posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:15 AM
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a reply to: TerryDon79

God by definition did do it...
The Universe was created...
You could deny that but then you would be going against your god which is science...



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:18 AM
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a reply to: TerryDon79

You left out "fully" in that quote...



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:18 AM
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God by definition did do it...

Only if it or they exist. Otherwise it’s an assumption.


The Universe was created...

And if it was created by a creator, prove it.


You could deny that but then you would be going against your god which is science...

Back to the childish insults.
There are a number of hypotheses on how the universe came to be. One states it always has been, so no need for it ever to be “created”.



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:19 AM
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a reply to: 5StarOracle

Fully or not, you flat out said evolution is a lie. That’s dismissing it.



posted on Dec, 4 2017 @ 01:20 AM
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a reply to: TerryDon79

Science knows the Universe has not always existed...
And that it won't exist forever...



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