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originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: Akragon
Nah... just your typical Christian fundy
Though its amusing that he claims to be educated in science...
Im guessing he got his education from dr Ken Ham
Hey stranger. No, I am accredited by a well-known university for multiple degrees in the sciences. Just because someone doesn't agree with your beliefs doesn't make them uneducated.
originally posted by: Barcs
a reply to: Phantom423
I can't help but chuckle reading Coop's flat out denial of evidence. You posted the direct letter from the scientist that explained the results and he just poo pooed it away with rhetoric, falsely claiming that the result was denied just because it conflicted with evolution, rather than the obvious fact that it was contaminated and poorly preserved as noted in the tests, not to mention the sample wasn't prepared in the right way because they lied about what it was to get it tested. Either this dude will do anything to preserve his belief system, or he's the greatest troll of all time. It makes me wonder.
ETA: Sonething I've never understood from the religious. Why does it have to be one or the other? Why couldn't your flavour of god create the first atoms and let everything take its course?
originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: Phantom423
There is always the chance that they are all cutting and pasting from the same dogma...uh sources? (Yeah I'm being facetious)
His debating opponents said that Gish used a rapid-fire approach during a debate, presenting arguments and changing topics quickly. Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education, dubbed this approach the Gish gallop, describing it as "where the creationist is allowed to run on for 45 minutes or an hour, spewing forth torrents of error that the evolutionist hasn't a prayer of refuting in the format of a debate."[11] She also criticized Gish for failing to answer objections raised by his opponents.[12] The phrase has also come to be used as a pejorative to describe similar debate styles employed by proponents of other, usually fringe beliefs, such as homeopathy or the moon landing hoax.[13][14]
The Gish Gallop (also known as proof by verbosity[1]) is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort. The Gish Gallop is a belt-fed version of the on the spot fallacy, as it's unreasonable for anyone to have a well-composed answer immediately available to every argument present in the Gallop. The Gish Gallop is named after creationist Duane Gish, who often abused it.
originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: Phantom423
I know who Gish is That style seems to be the style used by most of the creationist gang here
originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: Phantom423
Yeah, the Gish Gallop has been popular since I've been a member of ATS. Though the only people who seem to think it's a legitimate debate tactic are proponents of YEC and not anyone who has read all of the data they're able to. I somehow doubt the ole coop sits at home reading through journals or books discussion aspects of evolution or Anthropological finds.
originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: Phantom423
I am not sure I would go that far. I see creationists as nonscientific zealots, who get offended that a Scientific theory contradicts their perceived views of the Universe.
You are correct that its not Christian, as there are plenty of other Creationist religious groups out there (though mostly Abrahamic faiths).
originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: Phantom423
Oh I should have been more clear.
Cult I agree.
Evil doers? Eh perhaps its my own walking in a multi coloured would, that Evil is something I seldom see. Malicious might be what I'd say about them.
originally posted by: Phantom423
originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: Phantom423
Yeah, the Gish Gallop has been popular since I've been a member of ATS. Though the only people who seem to think it's a legitimate debate tactic are proponents of YEC and not anyone who has read all of the data they're able to. I somehow doubt the ole coop sits at home reading through journals or books discussion aspects of evolution or Anthropological finds.
As I just mentioned in another post, it's a cult. They worship their leaders and follow like sheep. The bad part is that young minds are corrupted in a way that's very hard to change. I've seen it first hand. Critical thinking has no place in their corrupted world, much less studying the evidence.
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
This guy is still hung up on C-14 dating even though a bunch of different posters have told him you don't use it to date dinosaur fossils? Talk about willful ignorance...
You can't even consider the possibility that the theory of evolution is wrong and that is textbook willful ignorance