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...some “simple” prokaryotic cells swallowed other cells but did not digest them.
Most ciliates are heterotrophs, feeding on smaller organisms, such as bacteria and algae...
Symbiogenesis, or endosymbiotic theory, is an evolutionary theory of the origin of eukaryotic cells from prokaryotic organisms,...
The endosymbiosis theory explains how eukaryotic cells may have evolved from prokaryotic cells. ...
[1.] ...many teach that for millions of years, some “simple” prokaryotic cells swallowed other cells but did not digest them.
[2.] ...Instead, the theory goes, unintelligent “nature” figured out a way not only to make radical changes in the function of the ingested cells...
[3.] but also to keep the adapted cells inside of the “host” cell when it replicated.
originally posted by: TerryDon79
I know WHY it's an argument from them, I just don't get it.
originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: whismermill
Perhaps you missed this part or didn't notice it was a logical requirement for a proper comparison between the storyline and what we're observing regarding Paramecium bursaria and Zoochlorella...
...Instead, the theory goes, unintelligent “nature” figured out a way not only to make radical changes in the function of the ingested cells but also to keep the adapted cells inside of the “host” cell when it replicated.
i.e. what you mentioned regarding Paramecium bursaria and Zoochlorella is not quite the same thing as the storyline in the so-called "endosymbiont hypothesis" as described above* is it? *: regarding what is emphasized as the important part of the storyline to check for, also by use of the phrase "not only" to indicate there's a more or equally important part of the storyline that needs to fit our observations for the storyline to become a possibility or a plausible suggestion (after that we'll still need to figure out if that is actually what happened, but that's the next question)
That's what I meant with "That doesn't stop people from pretending and claiming that there is so-called "evidence" for this storyline and myth though...". Apples and oranges, they aren't the same fruit. It's not what I called "proper evidence" in my commentary earlier, "evidence that makes sense logically. Not leaving out or downplaying inconvenient details using every propaganda technique I've ever read about...". Such as the details that I bolded now, which are conveniently left out of the presentation and discussions regarding Paramecium bursaria, Zoochlorella and their supposed relation to the endosymbiont 'hypothesis' (myth), especially the last bit: "... also to keep the adapted cells inside of the “host” cell when it replicated."
originally posted by: kennyb72
a reply to: cyberjedi
Ah! the blessed Origins and Creationism forum, where poor ignorant, uneducated people come to get LESSONED (lessend) in incremental science, I tend to stay away from here because of the pack mentality and active puerility. It really is nice to see intelligent people presenting solid evidence for Intelligent design.
I see a number of people on the board, who understand the reality of life and I will address my comments to you, though I am quite certain most of you already know.
I very much enjoyed the video you posted, outlining irreducible complexity, its a slam dunk for anyone with a brain of their own.
Please don’t feel left out, the remainder of you, If I need to, I will refer to you in the third person as you all seem to enjoy doing.
Consciousness as you know, is the only thing that is evolving and everything in the physical world possess consciousness, everyhing from minerals to cells to plants, animals and humans and so on.
As humans, we evolve to a level, where living in a physical world is no longer compatible to the consciousness awareness we have attained. We go on to become essential beings where we, as individuals go on to acquire group consciousness.
Our emerging ability to objectively witness the multitude of worlds and sentient life we are swimming in, makes living in the physical world difficult and unnecessary. As is the case when we die, our mind simply becomes aware and focused on a different reality, in a finer state of existence.
The designers of living organisms, you could state, are not God directly, but are designed and constructed by our advanced global consciousness. Evolution of consciousness takes innumerable forms and exist in all the subtle worlds, life we could barely imagine.
Everything has a common goal, that is, to create and support life in the physical world for the benefit of all creation. Every point where consciousness is present, there is a force striving for awareness to understand its surroundings.
Our universal awareness, or more accurately our planetary intelligence, designed the first humans, and indeed struggled to achieve the perfect organism for its needs.
Intelligence eventually created the first physical forms to enable peak physical experience for enlightened conscious to exist in this dense dimension.
Ancient knowledge suggests a series of root races and sub races over billions of years where introduced into the physical world before the last sub root race finally became the perfect biological instrument, modern man.
As a perfectly sound explanation of WHY we share so much DNA with other creatures and why there appears to be a baseline code for all creation, it is simply that. Our code is intelligently designed.
A code for life at its base, a code for plants, animals, humans, all necessary and hierarchically structured to build more advanced life but all based on code that was proved successful through trial and error.
For scientists in the subtle realms, it would appear much like running a simulation. Etheric templates are created and manifested into the physical world and physical form is built out as a perfect match to the etheric blueprint.
Intelligent adaptation would be a primary goal for anything designed by any intelligent consciousness.
Every living entity has an etheric shell that surrounds every cell in our body, and we permanently reside in several dimensions simultaneously. It is through this etheric shell that life energies are funnelled to our physical cells.
This is what THEY, the evolutionists study.
Perfectly legitimate science, I cant fault it, MUCH, it all sound very reasonable and feasible, but of course, it is full of fiction to explain what it is they don’t understand.
Intelligence has evolved over billions of years, and it exists at a much subtler state of matter, but we do not have the conscious awareness to objectively observe it.
Once you allow it to sink in, that your mind is not entirely dependent on your physical body but that your body is entirely dependent on your mind, you will likely conclude that this subtle state of existence has been around much longer than our physical existence, you can begin to imagine the incredible organisation, experience and science that must exist within the undetected inner world of our physical world.
If you view life in the physical, as the first necessary step in consciousness evolution, and you where part of this universal consciousness, as scientists you would design biological life forms to inhabit the denser physical dimensions.
Over billions of years from being barely aware of anything as a grain of dust, we evolved into the the dreamy world of plants and over time transmigrating into the emotional world of animals and on to the self aware, mental development of humankind. Once you become aware of something, you can not become unaware and there is no going back after you have passed through a kingdom, you must evolve. As you evolve you take on the physical form most suitable for your evolutionary needs.
There is intelligence in everything we see. If you can’t see that, then you are blind.
The modern scientist is too indoctrinated in hard imagined fictions to be able to give that up easily.
Before we attempt to analyse the subjective, we need to activate a faculty that allows causal knowledge to flow, to give us the tools to see, there is no short path to that, we just have to evolve to experience it.
Some of us have at least evolved far enough to see that clearly.