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Irreducible complexity and Evolution

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posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: Quadrivium

IF your God was a good workman. Why is RNA so unstable? Why so many different mutations to do the same job? Why are only SOME humans lactose persistent (tollerant)? Why are their transcription errors?

No If God did it, he needs to study some risk management, and Six Sigma




posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 02:23 PM
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The biggest problem I find with "scientist" today is that they have left behind the philosophy of science. In doing so they have become blind to anything that contradicts.



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: Quadrivium

I think you have your micro and macro reversed neighbor.
We have observed speciation



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: Quadrivium

Tell me how we have left the Philosophy of science behind. What do you think that is? Oh and how many Scientists have you spoken with? ALl of us?



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: Noinden

So by the antibiotic theory wouldn't vaccines be considered forced evolution ?
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posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: Gargoyle91

Not sure what you are talking about there? Vaccines do not change your genetics. They induces a response. Antibiotic resistance is bacteria being resistant to the affect of the antibiotics, due to mutation, and the subsequent generations surviving better.

So that is comparing apples with rocks.



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 02:44 PM
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originally posted by: Gargoyle91


Also, FYI the development of antibiotic resistant pathogens is a modern day example of evolution.


Are Mutation and Evolution the same thing though ?

Yes and no. Evolution can happen due solely to mutations, but it isn't required. Though a mutation is certainly a form of evolution since it is a change the organism experiences.



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: Noinden

Or why do humans have wisdom teeth, spines have vestigial tails, tonsils, and other useless appendages that have to be removed with surgery when they cause humans problems.



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: Quadrivium
The biggest problem I find with "scientist" today is that they have left behind the philosophy of science. In doing so they have become blind to anything that contradicts.

This is a nonsense statement devoid of any reasoning.



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 03:12 PM
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originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: Quadrivium

I think you have your micro and macro reversed neighbor.
We have observed speciation


We have observed adaptation, nothing more. Speciation is adaptation. When we observe a Class Mammalia (mammals) change into a Class Ascidiacea (sea squirts), or likewise, then you may be on to something. As of now all you have is adaptation of a fly into a fly or bacteria into bacteria.



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: Quadrivium

What do you think biological evolution is neighbour?

Adaption, with better survival chances. Adaption via mutations.

The bacterium adapted. Those who resist antibiotics (and its several mutations, as different antibiotics work different ways to kill the buggers, I make pharmaceuticals for a living, and know antibiotics well) survive longer to reproduce.

QED

Evoltion

We are saying the same thing. What do you believe causes "Adaptation via mutations"?



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: Quadrivium

I think you have your micro and macro reversed neighbor.
We have observed speciation


We have observed adaptation, nothing more. Speciation is adaptation. When we observe a Class Mammalia (mammals) change into a Class Ascidiacea (sea squirts), or likewise, then you may be on to something. As of now all you have is adaptation of a fly into a fly or bacteria into bacteria.

You do know that bacteria and flies aren't on the same taxonomic ranks correct? Bacteria is a domain rank (pretty much the top rank under Life) and flies are an order rank (much lower).

Taxonomy
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posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Quadrivium
The biggest problem I find with "scientist" today is that they have left behind the philosophy of science. In doing so they have become blind to anything that contradicts.

This is a nonsense statement devoid of any reasoning.

Thank you for making my point. Appreciated.



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: Quadrivium

Lol. You think your unsourced point is proven or even worth addressing/arguing? You just stated something without any evidence or backing reasoning. There is literally nothing to argue with except to point out you have a poorly formed opinion. In fact that is more like a troll statement than anything resembling a legit point about Evolution.
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posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: Quadrivium

I think you have your micro and macro reversed neighbor.
We have observed speciation


We have observed adaptation, nothing more. Speciation is adaptation. When we observe a Class Mammalia (mammals) change into a Class Ascidiacea (sea squirts), or likewise, then you may be on to something. As of now all you have is adaptation of a fly into a fly or bacteria into bacteria.

You do know that bacteria and flies aren't on the same taxonomic ranks correct? Bacteria is a domain rank (pretty much the top rank under Life) and flies are an order rank (much lower).

Taxonomy

Strike two, read it again.



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 03:27 PM
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How about you just tell me how I'm wrong? Your smugness isn't making you more credible. Just more and more insufferable. Especially since you don't use sources to prove any of your nonsense.
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posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: Quadrivium

Tell me how we have left the Philosophy of science behind. What do you think that is? Oh and how many Scientists have you spoken with? ALl of us?
see Thomas S. Kuhns



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 03:29 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Quadrivium

How about you just tell me how I'm wrong? Your smugness isn't making you more credible. Just more and more insufferable. Especially since you don't use sources to prove any of your nonsense.
Sorry, I don't have time to run in circles with you at the moment. I will try later.

ETA (for clarification) The point I was making was that bacteria may adapt but they are still bacteria, flies may adapt but they are still flies.
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posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: Quadrivium

Ok. So you are trolling. Thanks for the heads up.



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Quadrivium

Ok. So you are trolling. Thanks for the heads up.
In a rush. be back




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