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Irreducible complexity and Evolution

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posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 05:05 PM
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a reply to: Phantom423

Again it depends on the University. For example Otago University (where I went) the first year papers served the Health Science Professions (Medical, dental, Pharmacy schools etc) .... thus the First year papers are condensed papers. At second year, what you describe sure.

This holds for most first year papers servicing the Health Sciences (Biochemistry, Physics, the Biological sciences etc).




posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Barcs
And sorry but I'm not buying your claim of having science degrees.


It's no difficulty getting such a degree. They bring in the pawns by the dozen as long as they pay tuition. They make you feel special by making you feel like you have some sort of special knowledge. It was so easy it made me realize how pathetic the entire field of study was, and just how many holes were in the swiss cheese they were selling. I ate up the story in highschool, but further study regarding complex neural structures in college made me realize such meticulous neuronal circuitry could not be due to random mutation.



For you, a photoshopped pterodactyl with civil war soldiers and ancient art is empirical evidence of dinosaurs living with humans, so pardon my skepticism of your claims.


What bothers me is your complete lack of interest in the abundance of dinosaur depictions throughout history. Any true scientist would have a field day with such empirical evidence. But you chauvinists are stuck in the dark ages of material reductionism and refuse to consider anything that defies your theoretical dogma.


Here's a Komodo dragon which still exists today. It's not far fetched to think that people would be astounded by the sight of this thing - and probably their minds exaggerated the experience, hence the drawings. Could be a lot of reptiles that existed in ancient times. The drawings are not evidence. They're suggestions of what people either saw or were thinking. They could be real but chances are they are simply exaggerations of some wild reptile that existed at that time.





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posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: Noinden

Writing was always a big thing when I went to school - didn't matter the subject - every one had to write - so science, history, social studies, etc. not a bad thing though - you get over writer's block real quick!



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: Phantom423

I did my undergrad in the early 90s. It was that way, though less intense. When I taught labs it was the same (though more intense).

Universities in the commonwealth tend to go for three year Bachelors, and four year honors degrees.... thus you get a very intense grounding in the Sciences (your chosen one in particular).



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 05:17 PM
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a reply to: Noinden

Yeah, I always tell people that science is about getting your hands dirty - if you haven't done lab work, you haven't done science. It's not all in the books. The lab is where you learn what it's all about - with good mentors of course.



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 05:19 PM
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Look at this thing - now that's a nightmare that might motivate an artist to draw it - however, I doubt the subject would cooperate for a sitting! That's why the drawings are probably inclusive of a lot of imagination.




posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 05:25 PM
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Certainly in the case of Chemistry (given that is what cooperton is saying one of their degrees is in). If you can't either perform a reaction (or attempt too), analyse something or make a measurement, you are not doing chemistry. I am pretty sure that neuroscience is the same.

Now I don't know what sort of university they went too or type of degree they started (let alone got). But I am going to assume a Bachelors of Science.

Degrees in Chemistry and Neuroscience do not qualify one to say evolution is bunk
I certainly learned much more when I came back to University in 2010, and did a quick Bioinformatics degree to be more well rounded. That was Biochemistry, Genetics (and Stats (which I'd minored in anyway) and Computer Science)... that opened my eyes to the areas which are applicable in discussions on evolution. While my dissertation at the end of that was into Cancer research, the methods can be applied to evolution. After all, you need to identify the mutation(s) which causes cancer, just like you can understand evolution genetically through mutations.

I fully expect someone to chime in with "there are no positive mutations" .... demonstrating they can dogma good



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: Noinden

That's very true about measurement - chemistry and physics in particular are all about measurement. That goes to the instrumentation, algorithms and methods we use to achieve results. What these folks never understand is that nothing in science is set in stone. Anyone who can come up with sufficient evidence to challenge a current model of anything is free to challenge the current thinking. Happens all the time in physics. But the evidence must stand up to the criteria set for investigative research. Primarily, it must be reproducible. The guys around here want to jump over the nitty gritty details and draw conclusions which are unacceptable to the scientific community. They expect everyone to jump up and down and sing Hallelujah because they made a great discovery. It should be that easy...................................



posted on Sep, 25 2017 @ 05:47 PM
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Speaking as a Synthetic Chemist at heart. Measurement is important, but producing is important too. After all, one needs something to measure.

But yes you and I have constantly reminded them "science changes with the evidence". They either ignore that, or think that is a weakness in science (clearly it was flawed ... well yes, and the new evidence is a strengthening the story
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They also forget, that being a scientist, does not preclude having a spiritual life.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 01:21 AM
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They also forget, that being a scientist, does not preclude having a spiritual life.


Listening to your conversation with Phantom. Did you know that all self known knowledge, acquired over many lifetimes accrues, and depending on you passion for the subject, you will likely pursue similar careers in subsequent lives.

By the time scientists get to to the point where they depart the Human Kingdom, they will be perfectly trained to be biological geneticists. They will go on to create life forms themselves and will display their deep rooted knowledge of genetic coding. They will expand their consciousness and spiritual knowledge, promoting unity and deep Saintly love for humanity.

People will always continue to pursue that, which is their greatest joy.

Musicians, Artists all Creatives, Scientists who push the boundaries of their own knowledge, Philosophers, who can’t help but agree, “saying, well yes, yes of course, well we agree then" slap their thighs before moving on to something useful like helping humanity or nature.

I have to go for an ultrasound on my kidneys next week, so I arrived at the conclusions that The Morrigan isn’t paricularly bright in biology.

Well chaps, keep up the good work serving humanity, you can have NO idea how good it gets.



posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 02:14 PM
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Can you prove that, or is that a Unverifiable Personal or possibly Shared Gnosis? Because that is the only way I'm going to stomach what you wrote.

(a) What are non Biological Geneticists?
(b) There are a number of beliefs in the various reincatnationist faiths, over how reincarnation works. While the various IE tribes tend to think your soul returned to the tribe, the idea that you accrued knowledge over time is not such a beleif.
(c) As I've said you have no idea about An Morrigan.
(d) You have no idea about me either.

Run along bee boy. You still suck at esoterics
I am awaiting a quote from your Guru, or more likely just a "read his works" (I have, they are not particularly deep)



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