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Shoring-Up ObamaCare is NOT Going to Help - Lobby Groups Are Disgusting.

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posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 03:40 AM
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posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 03:41 AM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Awesome.
I'm convinced. Big words. That's good enough for me.

I'm alive, they aren't.

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posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 03:58 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Well the video isn't about wheat grass, its about real research. I don't see why you have to take someone else's research as a personal attack from me. I'm not saying that your cancer could have been starved out, but perhaps some can, and if so it could save millions of dollars, and maybe people wouldn't have to rely so heavily on the medical system...but wait, then that would eliminate the need for a single payer system. Wait, never mind. You're right. Lets continue flushing our money down the toilet, and ignore the possibility of more efficient and economic therapies....do it for federalism.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 04:03 AM
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Well the video isn't about wheat grass, its about real research.

You didn't notice that I put "wheatgrass" in quotes, did you? You didn't notice that I explained my usage earlier, did you? I prefer science, actually. Not claims based on...what? "It sounds right to me!" Please show me the studies which support whatever claims are made in that video. I do better when I read something than listening to something. Maybe I'm just weird that way.


Wait, never mind. You're right. Lets continue flushing our money down the toilet, and ignore the possibility of more efficient and economic therapies....do it for federalism.
I thought a single payer plan was supposed to be socialist.

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posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 04:17 AM
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a reply to: Phage

healthimpactnews.com...

Federalism is the precursor to socialism.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 04:31 AM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

You know mice aren't humans, right? While rodent studies may be useful for preliminary research it takes a lot more to make the jump to humans.

You know that the study you linked says only that, on the surface, a ketogenic diet made some mice which were transplanted with cancerous cells live longer than those which were not fed a ketogenic diet.

The mice died. I didn't.

You know that PLOS ONE is a pay to publish journal, right?

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posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 08:06 AM
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originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: CarlsBad

Most cancers feed on sugar and can be starved out of the body. The body eliminates cancerous cells on a daily basis.

I'm guessing that you've never had cancer...LOL!



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

But ... but ... we are doing a kind of eugenics right now, by keeping the stupid alive at all costs ... you know, the ones that should have been weeded out?



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 11:45 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: rickymouse
It seems the people receiving the money want more money.


They are scared that the money coming from taxpayers may stop. They don't give a damn about the people who buy health insurance, or the patients who need medical care.


Some do care about their patients. Many doctors also worry about the employment of their co-workers and employees. Is it evil that these doctors and professionals want others they work with to make a living?

We have a conflict of interest in the medical trades which is way more of a contributing factor than doctors wanting to get rich. I do not have a solution for this problem since people need to make a living. I think Trumps idea to bring manufacturing jobs back to America would help to solve this problem, the people can work and make a decent wage producing products our society needs.


It's not ALL doctors...just some doctors. I know one who is making 3 times more in revenue, because ObamaCare enables him to bill the insurance company 3 times for certain types of visits.

One example relates to an obesity checkup. In just one session, he gets $300 for the physical checkup, $250 for 5 minutes of counseling, and $100 if a treatment regime (diet/exercise) is prescribed. This takes less than 30 minutes. And if the person is an overweight SMOKER, there's more money to be made from the session. This is all FREE from the patient's vantage point, but his health insurance company will pay out at least $550, for the physical and counseling.


My granddaughter just went to the doctor to get three vaccinations for school. The bill for the three vaccinations was right around seven hundred fifty bucks. The tree shots were all around fifty six bucks a piece and each had a little over two hundred dollar apiece charge to administer them. It ran about seven hundred sixty something total. There wasn't even a doctors visit charge on these for that price, the granddaughter did not even see a doctor for the shots that they needed to have. These vaccines are a scam, my daughter only authorized the necessary ones for school, only one of those shots was actually required, the doctor tricked her into believing they were mandatory.


Thanks for sharing that, RickyMouse. I don't know about your state, but in Illinois, the back-to-school and also the infant vaccinations are 100% free at county clinics. Unfortunately, the vast majority of parents aren't aware of this, and of course, the government doesn't advertise it.


My daughter knew about the Health department, yet chose to send her daughter to the doctors office at the hospital to get the shots. I don't know what possessed her to do that, there is going to be a copay on that visit. The health department would only have given necessary shots. She had her granddaughter go with a friend and that is what happens.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: CarlsBad

originally posted by: rickymouse
These vaccines are a scam,


The scam being? She won't get those diseases anymore, seems like a win to me if I was a parent.

The real scam is people that talk like you trying to convince others their children don't need medical care because of $200 being more important than their well being.

Vaccines changed the entire human race, have saved countless lives, and are almost solely responsible for our recent population growth and the eradication of many diseases. If everyone were vaccinated the diseases literally die out. People that don't get vaccinated and allow these diseases to exist are the only plague left on society, vaccines killed the rest.



I have an immune system from hell, it attacks everything quickly including vaccines. My one daughter and my grandkids have the same kind of immune system, we get sicker than a dog from some vaccinations. Other vaccinations have little side effects though, but the ones that do are the DTAP and influenza vaccines. I won't ever get the DTAP again, I will get a Tetnus shot alone though. Maybe even the DT.

Strong innate immunity can be hereditary. My present wife and my second daughter with her can take vaccinations with only minor effects. If I do get the flu, it is over in about a day or two, my wife gets the flu way more and hers lasts a week or more, she has the flu shot, I don't get it because of severe side effects that are on my doctor's records for a very long time.

People do not understand these illnesses I guess, our immune system response is what gives us the major symptoms. I also have researched genetic influence on hyper reactions and also have gone to the FDA, CDC, Pharmacutical sites, and medical institutions to see what they say about the severe reactions. If you have a severe reaction to a vaccine, you should never get another one of them, that is in every official literature I have read from the above sites. It is also a hereditary trait, and it seems to have some relation to blood type, one type O in the blood type, you can be an AO, offers some buffering of severe reaction but does not mean that that person needs to take a vaccine to have natural protection. It might just be a deterent to an over reaction. I just read evidence, I can not do research to identify what is happening.

Either way, the flu shot can be deadly for some people, causing a reaction much more dangerous than getting the flu. Doctors are very aware of this, but nurses and other healthcare professionals may not be. Every doctor we have had says no flu shot. Did you know that the Tetnus shot actually lasts for thirty years? That information comes out of WHO research.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 05:30 PM
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Wednesday, September 6, 2017

Thankfully, Obamacare REPEAL is back on the table for consideration before the September 27th deadline. Senator McCain is onboard with this version.



Senator John McCain (R-AZ), who left his sick bed at the end of July to cast the vote that derailed a last ditch effort to repeal ObamaCare and launch a “skinny bundle” version of TrumpCare, now says he would vote for a new version of the health care bill that would give the states a chunk of money to run the health care programs that they choose.
The new bill isn’t among those fashioned during weeks of ultra-secret negotiations by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY). Instead, it has been crafted primarily by three Republican Senators who have been critics of McConnell’s approach.

The bill is the work of McCain’s best friend in the Senate, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, along with Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Dean Heller of Nevada.

It also has gained support from Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), who is chairman of the far right wing, the ultra-conservative group known as the House Freedom Caucus. 


Excerpted from: thepoliticus.com...


ObamaCare repeal replace MUST happen, because the bad news continues to roll in. Anthem Blue Cross announced today that it is leaving half of Kentucky. And Optima says that it is pulling out of most of Virginia. Anthem announced it was leaving Virginia for 2018 as well. This will leave most of the state of Virginia (63 counties!) without ANY health insurance companies.

Full Story: www.businessinsider.com...

How Democrats can (in good conscience) continue to defend ObamaScrew is baffling.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 08:59 PM
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Wednesday, September 6, 2017

Today, state officials briefed Congress on the horrible state of ObamaCare where they live..


State officials sounded the alarm Wednesday on Capitol Hill about skyrocketing ObamaCare premiums as insurers across the country propose double-digit rate hikes – renewing pressure on Congress to act. 

Insurance commissioners and officials from Alaska, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma and Washington state all testified before a Senate committee on the 2018 premium hikes, which are being finalized over the next few weeks. 


Full Summary Here: www.foxnews.com...

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posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 09:07 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: carewemust

We need to have a single provider system and get rid of the insurance companies.


We can agree on the 'no insurance' part, but why do you want a monopoly for the provider? I thought monopolies were bad.


There's no reason to support the exorbitant CEO pay and the graft going on with the hospitals because the hospitals are owned by the same CEOs who own the insurance company.


So we should support an exorbitant government bureaucracy that regulates the hospitals instead?


The healthcare companies make Pentagon procurement look cheap!!


Yep, been that way since government got involved in health insurance. So let's double down!



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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As long as hospitals, doctors, pharmaceuticals, and medical equipment manufacturers get paid what they want, prices will not come down.

Should the government take over all aspects of paying the providers, like it does with Medicare/Medicaid, prices will drop.

But consumers couldn't care less about the underlying costs, so long as the vast majority of their medicals bills are paid.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 09:59 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Teikiatsu

As long as hospitals, doctors, pharmaceuticals, and medical equipment manufacturers get paid what they want, prices will not come down.

Should the government take over all aspects of paying the providers, like it does with Medicare/Medicaid, prices will drop.

But consumers couldn't care less about the underlying costs, so long as the vast majority of their medicals bills are paid.



When has government involvement ever reduced costs or increased performance? How's that going for the education business? Infrastructure? 'Green' energy?

If a private entity knows it will get paid by the government regardless of how it performs, quality goes down and prices go up.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 11:29 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Teikiatsu

As long as hospitals, doctors, pharmaceuticals, and medical equipment manufacturers get paid what they want, prices will not come down.

Should the government take over all aspects of paying the providers, like it does with Medicare/Medicaid, prices will drop.

But consumers couldn't care less about the underlying costs, so long as the vast majority of their medicals bills are paid.



When has government involvement ever reduced costs or increased performance? How's that going for the education business? Infrastructure? 'Green' energy?

If a private entity knows it will get paid by the government regardless of how it performs, quality goes down and prices go up.


Well, unless the last-ditch effort at ObamaCare Repeal gets some additional traction, throwing billions of taxpayer dollars at private health insurance companies is what's going to happen for 2018.



9-6-2017 Evening Update: www.washingtonexaminer.com...

Senate Democrats believe they have an opening to prop up Obamacare's insurers by passing a bipartisan stabilization package, despite opposition from Republicans.

Several Senate Democrats said they were heartened that most insurance regulators at a hearing Wednesday called for Congress to create a new federal reinsurance program, which would pay Obamacare insurers that enroll sicker, more expensive people. That unified industry stance makes Democrats optimistic about passing something, even though Republicans are wary of adding reinsurance to a narrow deal to stabilize Obamacare's exchanges.


As I stated at the top of the thread, these insurer bail-out packages don't do a damned thing for middle-class Americans. Doesn't lower their premiums, deductibles, or increase physician participation. Republicans should (for once) develop enough cohesiveness to block this giveaway of our money to health insurance companies.



posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 11:34 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: dfnj2015

I wonder, would a person so ingrained the left right paradigm, admit that before the ACA insurance was cheaper? And after the ACA it almost doubled overnight?

I'm in the same boat, the difference is, I didn't want the ACA to begin with, but wasn't offered the choice.


You're 100% correct. Insurance is how I've made my living for the past 26 years. Before ObamaCare, the premiums were 50% to 70% lower, and so were the deductibles. ObamaCare is only good for people who are 1) Sick, or 2) Poor.

What's tragic is that Obama's economic policies increased the number of Working Poor, or just plain Poor Americans, by HUGE numbers.


Disagree.

Obamacare isn't good for anyone with a mother f'ing job.
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posted on Sep, 7 2017 @ 08:35 AM
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originally posted by: MysticPearl
Obamacare isn't good for anyone with a mother f'ing job.

So cut the insurance companies right out of it.



posted on Sep, 19 2017 @ 06:39 PM
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Tuesday, September 19, 2017

NO Surprise... The Bi-Partisan committee formed to "shore-up" ObamaCare for 2018 has thrown in the towel:

A bipartisan group of senators has failed to reach an agreement on stabilizing Obamacare in 2018.

Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander, who chaired a set of health committee hearings with Democratic Sen. Patty Murray of Washington, said Tuesday that the effort to craft a "limited, bipartisan plan" to take to Senate leaders by the end of September had come to a standstill

Source: www.cnn.com...

I'm amazed that Donald Trump has been able to work with Pelosi and Schumer in a bipartisan fashion. The gap between Democrats and Republicans on most issues is very wide.




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