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China at risk of loosing its trade with U.S

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posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Arnie123


I want you to explain the economic paradigm that compels India to buy more expensive American goods over Chinese products as they are currently accustomed.


Ugh...goddamn this dude. The economic paradigm of a trade war that sends disruptions across the financial spectrum?

We all suffer, economically, EVERYTHING will be expensive. We've never been in this territory before, not at this scale either.

So, either poor quality control from china, or increased defense and investment trades from the US with india to help reshape the landscape. India has long been the go to market assuming things with china go south. Plus, they are a democracy as well, as it should have been in the beginning. Not the damned communist, but hey, free and equal trade huh?




posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:05 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: nwtrucker


The issue with tariffs are that certain commodities can no longer be manufactured here due to various regulations which I don't see being reversed. The industry that I am in has pretty much zero chance of being made here due to the EPA.
Its been stated and noted that some of those policies are being reversed and dismantled. Not sure which, but I'm pretty sure enough.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: Arnie123


That was a non-answer. Why do Indians want to pay more for American goods over Chinese goods? Explain why they will disregard one of the simplest of economic principals.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: nwtrucker


The issue with tariffs are that certain commodities can no longer be manufactured here due to various regulations which I don't see being reversed. The industry that I am in has pretty much zero chance of being made here due to the EPA.


The EPA barriers are being addressed as we speak. The new head of the EPA has a very specific mandate. Reining in the EPA to it's original intent.

Of course, some of those barriers will remain, but many will be curtailed, if not outright removed depending on the industry in question.

Currency manipulation and 'dumping' are well outside the EPA issue.

In no way do I think we will ever return to the industry levels of the past. I do see a rebound with a more controlled and protected base.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: Arnie123
Its been stated and noted that some of those policies are being reversed and dismantled. Not sure which, but I'm pretty sure enough.


It has? Link them.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:09 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
The EPA barriers are being addressed as we speak. The new head of the EPA has a very specific mandate. Reining in the EPA to it's original intent.


It will be a marginal, at best, change. There will be numerous legal challenges tying up any mandates on the court system for years, particularly on the more 'dirty' industries such as the one I'm in.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:09 AM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Arnie123

So I'm anti-American for not wanting us to have skyrocketing prices, catastrophic export losses, and supply shortages? Do you even understand what exports are? When those American companies you claim to support are trying to sell their products overseas, one of the biggest markets they go to is China. I fail to see how it's "pro-American" to want our exporters to lose business because they're blocked off from one of their biggest customers.

Also, I fail to see how it's "pro-American" to want supply shortages & shortages of consumer goods here. Not only is that Wal-Mart that you keep mocking an American company, but it's literally the largest private employer in America. But I guess it's anti-American to not want the 1.5 million Americans employed by Wal-Mart to lose their jobs because their employer can't stock its shelves? (facepalm)

But whatever. It's a waste of time talking to you.
Big things brother, because thats whats going to happen. Thats why I say, crying and moaning isn't going to help.

This is something that requires the teeth clenching RIP from us.

So yes, you won't be able to shop at walmart. Sorry for calling you anti-American, I just get pissed when I see a "man" withering on the floor like some pathetic mass of ignorance crying about sky rocking prices and doom porn.

The US needs to rip off the parasite that china is, painfully if neede. Re adjust and deal again.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:09 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Arnie123


That was a non-answer. Why do Indians want to pay more for American goods over Chinese goods? Explain why they will disregard one of the simplest of economic principals.
And a non reader. Re read my post.
edit on 5-9-2017 by Arnie123 because: heh



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: Arnie123


Your post does not explain why consumers will suddenly opt to pay more for goods in defiance of one of the strongest of all economic paradigms. I'd ask you again to explain it but you obviously cannot.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Arnie123


Your post does not explain why consumers will suddenly opt to pay more for goods in defiance of one of the strongest of all economic paradigms. I'd ask you again to explain it but you obviously cannot.
..and you fail to see how cutting trade with china will increase prices everywhere.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

And don't forget the shipping. They can receive more expensive products shipped in from the other side of the planet, or they can receive cheaper products from their neighbor and receive the products quicker & with lower shipping insurance costs. Hmmm...



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: Arnie123

It will? Do you even understand supply and demand? If China has a surplus of commodities which way will their prices go?



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant


It would help if people had a grasp of global macroeconomics.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:20 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Literally ignoring the fact that stopping trade will cause disruptions on the global market, beyond even the simplist of global macro and micro economics.

Anyways, you're done.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:24 AM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

And don't forget the shipping. They can receive more expensive products shipped in from the other side of the planet, or they can receive cheaper products from their neighbor and receive the products quicker & with lower shipping insurance costs. Hmmm...
lol, keep dreaming.

www.firstpost.com...

Many issues between these nations, get real



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:24 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Cuz, this thread is a circle jerk, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!

They just want to hear how much ass America would kick if it comes to blows with China.

Here's a hint everyone, we all lose.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:26 AM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Arnie123

So I'm anti-American for not wanting us to have skyrocketing prices, catastrophic export losses, and supply shortages? Do you even understand what exports are? When those American companies you claim to support are trying to sell their products overseas, one of the biggest markets they go to is China. I fail to see how it's "pro-American" to want our exporters to lose business because they're blocked off from one of their biggest customers.

Also, I fail to see how it's "pro-American" to want supply shortages & shortages of consumer goods here. Not only is that Wal-Mart that you keep mocking an American company, but it's literally the largest private employer in America. But I guess it's anti-American to not want the 1.5 million Americans employed by Wal-Mart to lose their jobs because their employer can't stock its shelves? (facepalm)

But whatever. It's a waste of time talking to you.


You seem to be holding the view of outright trade war. That is the extreme scenario. The U.S. must survive economically for China to survive as well. They are too interlocked to want an outright trade war, at this juncture. Industry specific actions will take place. Not whole nations locking horns. That is unless China refuses to make concessions.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: cenpuppie
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Cuz, this thread is a circle jerk, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!

They just want to hear how much ass America would kick if it comes to blows with China.

Here's a hint everyone, we all lose.


Nobody brought up military action. This whole discussion has been trade.

Ending trade will cause global disruptions, no brainer.

You got the wrong thread kid.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: Arnie123
Literally ignoring the fact that stopping trade will cause disruptions on the global market, beyond even the simplist of global macro and micro economics.

Anyways, you're done.


How does a United States/China trade war impact India/China trade interaction pricing?

Why can't you answer these very basic questions?



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:28 AM
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originally posted by: cenpuppie
Here's a hint everyone, we all lose.


Pretty much, because global trade is a zero sum game.







 
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