BBC: your tax dollars at work

originally posted by: SprocketUK
What the BBC does isn't of the left. They tell us it is, but it is the government's official broadcaster. They tell us what the government (Mostly the EU) want us to listen to.

Hell, if they were left, socialist even, they'd never have edited the Orgreave footage to make the miners look like the ones who started that fight, nor done Thatchers other dirty work in helping to break that strike.

It's true that the Orgreave debacle was shameful. On the other hand, it happened 33 years ago. More recently, the BBC was condemned for the Andrew Gilligan report claiming that Alistair Campbell had 'sexed up' the evidence for WMD in Iraq. So it's not a question of the BBC's monolithic obedience to the Government of the day, is it.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
Oh it's certainly relevant to the discussion of a socialist nanny state, surely that is obvious.

It might be relevant to what's going on in your head today, but that's as far as it goes. If you think the UK is a socialist state, you're plain deluded. There is nothing further to be said on the matter.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Well I stand corected if they have reclassifeied it as a tax well done you.

It is still non obligatory though is it not? I have the right to choose to pay or to not pay do I not?

We have a road tax over here as well to fund the building and mainenace of roads and you pay the tax on every vehicle that you want to use the roads for. I do not pay that either as I do not drive but fell free to scream communism about that to if it floats your boat.

a reply to: audubon

Don't you think its funny they ran and ran with that dossier though? Tgen, when it was all too late, began to question the motives behind it?

They have enough people in bed with the big shots in the Labour party that I find it difficult to believe no one knew before we went to war.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
What the BBC does isn't of the left. They tell us it is, but it is the government's official broadcaster. They tell us what the government (Mostly the EU) want us to listen to.

Hell, if they were left, socialist even, they'd never have edited the Orgreave footage to make the miners look like the ones who started that fight, nor done Thatchers other dirty work in helping to break that strike.

They are full of the globalist rubbish the Bilderbergers want ramming down our throat, they aren't left.

Right... because globalism isn't founded on concepts of socialism and progressive ideals...

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: SprocketUK


They are full of the globalist rubbish the Bilderbergers want ramming down our throat, they aren't left.

Just like all the other broadcasting corperations out there then.

For what it's worth, I watch a lot of Amazon telly, they seem to be as free of that tosh as the sky cricket channel.
But yeah, it's next to impossible to find news without a particular tilt.

All this thread demonstrates is complete ignorance of how the BBC is run and funded and legal requirements to provide objective, investigative, true journalism.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
Don't you think its funny they ran and ran with that dossier though? Tgen, when it was all too late, began to question the motives behind it?

I don't see any problem here. The BBC is like a tanker, it doesn't turn on a sixpence/dime (del to taste).

The case of the Jimmy Savile scandal is a good illustration - the BBC had the chance to break the story fairly soon after Savile's death in 2011, but the reporters investigating the story got stymied by a lack of interest combined with disbelief and editors who thought the story was not well-sourced. Result: ITV broke the story in 2012, and the BBC ended up with egg on its face and a very embarrassing post-mortem in which various BBC execs came out looking less than honourable.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

originally posted by: SprocketUK
What the BBC does isn't of the left. They tell us it is, but it is the government's official broadcaster. They tell us what the government (Mostly the EU) want us to listen to.

Hell, if they were left, socialist even, they'd never have edited the Orgreave footage to make the miners look like the ones who started that fight, nor done Thatchers other dirty work in helping to break that strike.

They are full of the globalist rubbish the Bilderbergers want ramming down our throat, they aren't left.

Right... because globalism isn't founded on concepts of socialism and progressive ideals...

If you think its the left then you have been conned.

The left doesn't impoverish the workers by increasing the labour pool of big business exponentially, the left doesn't try and halt the human quest for knowledge and understanding. ..All the things that the people who call themselves the left do today mark them out as something else.

That was my argument, I was broadly agreeing with you re the BBC current affairs arm, merely pointing out that they aren't left, only erroneously called left by those wanting to adjust our perception.

Double

a reply to: audubon

Or, they couldn't bring themselves to shoot down a scion of Thatcher and buried it.

Their message always mirrors the supranational type of newspeak favoured by Brussels etc.

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Well I stand corected if they have reclassifeied it as a tax well done you.

It is still non obligatory though is it not? I have the right to choose to pay or to not pay do I not?

We have a road tax over here as well to fund the building and mainenace of roads and you pay the tax on every vehicle that you want to use the roads for. I do not pay that either as I do not drive but fell free to scream communism about that to if it floats your boat.

Yeah you can choose not to pay it by not owning a television. If you drive on a road you're putting wear on it and taxes make sense to help maintain the roads and build new roads. Considering the UK is one of the only places on Earth that has a TV tax I'd say it doesn't make much sense. Who does it hurt to have a TV in your home, have you read that Wikipedia page about the license, it says you cannot watch a hand held battery powered TV without a license, you get taxed for each installed TV, you cannot watch TV using your license away from home if someone at home is still watching TV, you can have a search warrant issued for your residence to check if you have any TV's installed, I mean the amount of regulations and laws are completely insane and yet you guys defend this stuff like it's nothing... which just goes to prove my point even further oddly enough.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Read your own post.

There is no legal requirement to own a tv licence in order to own a tv in the UK.

Keep clutching at those straws to make the UK something tat only exists in your mind even when you have plenty of rational folks trying to explain the truth to you.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
If you drive on a road you're putting wear on it and taxes make sense to help maintain the roads and build new roads.

I don't drive. My taxes go towards highway maintenance anyway.

By your logic, this is some kind of moral outrage.

But by my logic I am helping to keep the nation running smoothly, and since I am quite attached to the place I shall continue to do so and never worry about it.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Whether they are philosophically what you consider to be the left or not is irrelevant because they are the establishment left and your idealistic concept of a perfect classical liberal left doesn't exist apart from a minority of people who are shunned by the mainstream left, the same way the libertarians are shunned by the establishment right.

a reply to: nonspecific

You're the one who turned this into an argument revolving around whether you have to pay whether or not you own a TV, I never made the claim that you had to pay if you didn't own a TV, get over yourself.

One thing I would say in favour of the BBC is that the drama is awesome and its great not to have to sit through interminable adverts.

Frankly, I don't know how you Yanks can stand adverts every 8 minutes.

originally posted by: audubon

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
If you drive on a road you're putting wear on it and taxes make sense to help maintain the roads and build new roads.

I don't drive. My taxes go towards highway maintenance anyway.

By your logic, this is some kind of moral outrage.

But by my logic I am helping to keep the nation running smoothly, and since I am quite attached to the place I shall continue to do so and never worry about it.

Well nonspecific just said he didn't drive so he didn't have to pay road taxes, are you both talking about the UK? I don't really care one way or another if road taxes are mandatory whether one drives or not because you're right it does help everyone and make the economy better if roads are well maintained. However ideally I would argue that roads should be maintained from road taxes and taxes from car registrations and driving license fees, so if a person didn't drive they wouldn't need to pay taxes towards something they don't use. What bothers me is extreme over-regulation and taxes with no solid argument for their existence beyond "but we don't get adverts on the BBC bro".

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: SprocketUK

Whether they are philosophically what you consider to be the left or not is irrelevant because they are the establishment left and your idealistic concept of a perfect classical liberal left doesn't exist apart from a minority of people who are shunned by the mainstream left, the same way the libertarians are shunned by the establishment right.

Don't you think there is something insidious about it?

By calling it the left, people support it who would otherwise oppose much of it.

I'd suggest its a big con job to deny people proper representation.

TPTB today will put onto people the ideas of _both left and right , whichever suits them at the time . It is never ok to be un-pc either .