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Trump ends DACA

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posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Xcathdra
It's arguable that DACA is unconstitutional.


It's not.

Arpaio v. Obama

State of Mississippi v. Jeh Johnson


The ultimate legal authority for DACA lies in the U.S. Constitution. Article II, Section Three of the Constitution states that the president “shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” Carrying out our immigration laws involves deciding who should be targeted for deportation and who should be allowed to stay. Similarly, Congress has given the executive branch discretion over “the administration and enforcement” of the immigration laws. And the Supreme Court has recognized that “[a] principal feature of the removal system is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials ... Federal officials, as an initial matter, must decide whether it makes sense to pursue [someone’s] removal at all ...”



DACA Is and Will Always Be Constitutional


As a reminder; DACA was a band-aid when congress continually failed to pass the DREAM Act, starting in 2001. The 2009/2010 version was filibustered in the senate and failed to a vote of 56-43. However, that vote was mostly due to the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell being included. Also, no, Democrats did not have a super-majority at the time.




posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 04:14 PM
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I know far MORE legit citizens working under the table and NOT paying taxes than I do immigrants...



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: links234


Until the Supreme Courts says otherwise, it's just lawyers arguing.

DACA is not unconstitutional

DACA Is and Will Always Be Constitutional



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 04:26 PM
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originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: soberbacchus



This has implications for 2018, 2020 and beyond.


AND, beyond that!


I know...It's like every time Trump's approval ratings hit an unprecedented new low, he thinks..I can go lower than that! Let's deport innocent children! That should get rid of the few straggler Hispanics left that still support me!

Every GOP congressman I see interviewed these days has that "oh sh*&" expression on their face. How to spin the fact they are the diuretic that made this sh*& show possible.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 04:28 PM
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posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

Well, I hate to point this out because I didn't like any of the candidates but...........did the Dems really have to go with Hilary? It was all she could do to beat Bernie and by accounts had to cheat to do that (I don't know if that's true or not). They had better qualified candidates they could have tapped. Its like they just laid down for that election season.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 05:35 PM
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posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 07:31 PM
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It is about time. When I was stationed in El Paso, Texas, virtually every day there would be pregnant women stand at the border until they went into labor, then step across the line. Instant US citizen and parents take care of him. Three more welfare people. This has to stop...



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: daveinats


LOL

I don't believe you.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 08:16 PM
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a reply to: ladyinwaiting

That doesn't make sense or answer the question. You said the were being Americans, blah, blah, blah. Why would they be harassed if they are Americans? What did DACA do for them that they didn't already have based on you answer? Please, enlighten us....



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 08:37 PM
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a reply to: Tempter


CNN proved today that many of the so-called DACA immigrants actually slipped into the program, via lies and deceit.


Paraphrasing CNN:

Meet Ramon Ramos. At the age of 5, he rode on his dad's shoulders as he was carried across the Rio Grande river, to a life of hope in the USA.

Ramon speaks: Yeah, I've been following the laws and being a productive person in America for 12 years now. It would be wrong for President Trump to return us to Mexico. It would be heartless and cruel!

CNN is too STUPID to do the math. They just identified Ramon Ramos and his daddy as illegal immigrants who arrived in 2009. Three years before the DACA was announced. Ramon screwed himself too!



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

So you don't even know what the requirements are?



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: soberbacchus



This has implications for 2018, 2020 and beyond.


AND, beyond that!


I know...It's like every time Trump's approval ratings hit an unprecedented new low, he thinks..I can go lower than that! Let's deport innocent children! That should get rid of the few straggler Hispanics left that still support me!

Every GOP congressman I see interviewed these days has that "oh sh*&" expression on their face. How to spin the fact they are the diuretic that made this sh*& show possible.



What you said is virtually a duplicate of what one Hillary Clinton follower posted, back in September 2016, LOL. It wasn't about deportation, but his/her overall sentiment was the same. And look what happened 2 months later! Making fools out of Democrats seems to be another special talent sported by our great President.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: carewemust

So you don't even know what the requirements are?



No.. I was born here and I don't work in the immigration field. Since Obama violated a section of immigration law in 2012, are you inferring that kids here illegally before 2012 are covered by DACA too? If so, that's an even bigger insult to people who immigrated legally.



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

So you don't even know what you are arguing about?

Yes it covers illegals born on or after June 16 1981 who were present in the US when DACA went into effect.

Many people who immigrated legally don't see it as an insult. Of course there are those who love being "holier than thou".



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posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
Many people who immigrated legally don't see it as an insult. Of course there are those who love being "holier than thou".




and many immigrants who came here legally do see it as an insult.

Personal feelings aside though DACA is unconstitutional and violates current immigration law. Congress has 6 months to fix it or not. It is in federal court right now and I see the courts getting to decide before Congress does.

Not sure why how legal immigrants feel plays into this (as you pointed out to me some pages back). It is a simple matter of law.

as for your holier than thou comment - sure. And others think they should be treated differently with their holier than thou attitude of "the law doesnt apply to me".
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posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
Personal feelings aside though DACA is unconstitutional and violates current immigration law. Congress has 6 months to fix it or not. It is in federal court right now and I see the courts getting to decide before Congress does.

You are not actually putting personal feelings aside.


Not sure why how legal immigrants feel plays into this (as you pointed out to me some pages back). It is a simple matter of law.

Someone brought it up. Are you not following the thread?


as for your holier than thou comment - sure. And others think they should be treated differently with their holier than thou attitude of "the law doesnt apply to me".

That is also true.
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posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:18 PM
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Well its not just my "personal feeling" that DACA is unconstitutional and a violation of immigration law. The laws personal opinion is the same as mine.

I am and its why I responded the way I did. Are you following the thread?



posted on Sep, 5 2017 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
Well its not just my "personal feeling" that DACA is unconstitutional and a violation of immigration law. The laws personal opinion is the same as mine.

The law doesn't have a personal opinion so it can't be what you think it is.


I am and its why I responded the way I did. Are you following the thread?

Why didn't you tell the person who said it was an insult that you are "Not sure why how legal immigrants feel plays into this"?




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posted on Sep, 6 2017 @ 12:14 AM
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a reply to: links234

President EO is not a LAW so the DACA EO isnt a Law. And As you stated a president has the authority to dictate who comes and goes into the country by administering the laws. Law that currently say Illegals broke the law to get here.



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