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Ron Cameron comments on the textual integrity of Thomas (The Anchor Bible Dictionary, v. 6, p. 535):
Substantial differences do exist between the Greek fragments and the Coptic text. These are best explained as variants resulting from the circulation of more than one Greek edition of Gos. Thom. in antiquity. The existence of three different copies of the Greek text of Gos. Thom. does give evidence of rather frequent copying of this gospel in the 3d century. According to the critical edition of the Greek text by Attridge (in Layton 1989: 99), however, even though these copies do not come from a single ms, the fragmentary state of the papyri does not permit one to determine whether any of the mss "was copied from one another, whether they derive independently from a single archetype, or whether they represent distinct recensions." It is clear, nevertheless, that Gos. Thom. was subject to redaction as it was transmitted. The presence of inner-Coptic errors in the sole surviving translation, moreover, suggests that our present Gos. Thom. is not the first Coptic transcription made from the Greek. The ms tradition indicates that this gospel was appropriated again and again in the generations following its composition. Like many other gospels in the first three centuries, the text of Gos. Thom. must be regarded as unstable.
Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the domain of Heaven."1
A glance at the ancient text reproduced above immediately tells the reader that the author knew little, if anything, of biblical teaching concerning the roles of men and women, and of the fact that both men and women were created in the image of God. Such false teaching comes plainly from Gnostic sources that vilified the body and exalted the spirit, and in the process often denigrated the feminine and exalted the masculine. The early church struggled long and hard against Gnosticism, which constantly threatened her. As early as Paul’s epistle to the Colossians, we find a strong warning against "proto–Gnosticism," telling us that Christ cannot be placed in any position other than that of Creator (Col. 1:15–18; 2:8–9).
Originally posted by Croat56
If there were books taken out then it is because they were not right
There would be millions, if not billions more christians if these books were left in the bible. Who knows, maybe the dark ages may not have been so bad, women would have been equal to men, no need to fight for the right to vote for they would have already had it. Who knows, why the church considers explaining things evil IDK.
Originally posted by Netchicken
There we go again, do you really think that the early church leaders wanted to "control" people by leaving the books out, or were just concerned that the correct teaching was given from the most reliable sources?
Don't bother answering that, I think I know what you believe on it.
What I am saying is that you don't NEED extra books, even if you only have 1 book of the gospels it would be enough. Read as much as you wish, salvation doesn't come trough reading books, nor does it come through knowledge. its a flight of the ego, excaping to intellectual knowledge to avoid facing the truth of the human situation.
Originally posted by Seekerof
Umm, how do you figure that the Deuterocanon. or Apocrypha (Hidden Writings) are apocalyptic in nature? Not all of them are.
Originally posted by Amethyst
The King James version is the only accurate English version we have today.
as posted by Simulacra
Honestly, the only reason I associate these canons (including the Book of Astronomy) because I studied them in one of the few Judaic classes (Apocalyptic Imagination) that I completed at the University of Arizona. If you would like me to go further into this topic, then I'm going to have to rediscover all of my class notes which are buried beneath an array of Maxims and FHMs deep within my closet. Let me know if you need evidence.
The Holy Bible that we know of today was put together to bring about unity in a divided people under a ruler named Consantine
Originally posted by Netchicken
There are people in the world who think that the way to life is "secret" that you have to join a closed group, believe something secret, have extra knowledge that others don't have, read a sacred text that "normal" people dont have access to etc.
But the heart of the person is hiding from the truth, because the truth is too unpalatable to bear, so anything else is better.
Books like this are not needed, if you want to really understand Jesus and follow him. They are only needed if you DON"T want to know the truth and instead want to believe something that is not so personally threatening.
Its the domain of the egotisitcal, puffing themselves up with "secret knowledge", of peddlers (buy my book to learn the truth), of people who don't want the truth, beacuse it threatens them too much.
People unwilling to face the truth, but running to find a source that relieves them from the responsability, and allows them to take the more easier route of intellectual deception, in the vain expectation that they will find peace.