Reservations about Liberal positive discrimination and political handling of race, gender issues

Traditionally I am politically a socialist from a family of socialists. However, I am having big problems with new wave liberal and left leaning politics. The problems are so big and concerning that it may stop me voting in my zone next election.

Anyone who has ever cracked a whip knows that the backlash is as powerful as the forward strike. Hell, if you have been in a car accident you know all about those kind of kinetics. It is the backlash from aggressive social engineering and imposition of values that interfere with free will that worries me. I recall a Wailers song "Revolution", where Bob Marley sings the lines:

Never make a politician grant you a favour
They will want to control you forever

Please do play the song as you are reading as it will help you with what I am trying to communicate.

The new wave of MSM liberal positive discrimination initiatives, social engineering policies, even apparent in the state run BBC in the UK, are backfiring and segregating, hard lining, dividing, splintering Western societies. There appears to be a mass political backlash to these aggressive neo-liberal initiatives. I would argue that there is now more segregation and splintering, extremism and polarization because of too much control freak behavior and tampering. We have experienced President Trump's success and Brexit as a result of perceived attempts to impose certain values on us socially. The liberal agenda is actually self harming liberalism and the interests of feminism and minorities/diversities. Tolerance has gone down, not up. I recall recently the Guardian telling us that tolerance is not enough and they insist we do more than tolerate. Here we have clear evidence of liberal agenda and intent and it is the kind of politics that very much concerns me in terms of back lash and self harming. It has every potential and is having effect as we saw in Charlottesville recently of splintering society to the point where civil disturbance actually occurs; localized race war.

For me, I never trusted politics to decide my beliefs about much at all other than immediate legislation and economic needs. I certainly don't want politicians engaged in social engineering. It is well draconian. I think the liberals have behaved very Orwellian, like control freaks, when they did have the political advantage. Their losses need to be a lesson learned and a good kick up the back side as relegated influence.

I am very concerned because I do want women to be equal in all societies. I do want all races and minorities to be free. However, i think liberalism has spectacularly backfired and is working against the very causes it claims to champion.

My own attitudes regarding race were made by ME. I was taught by some people I trusted. Bob Marley taught me about race. Martin Luther King taught me about race. Haile Selassie taught me about race. Alice Walker and Maya Angelou taught me about Women. There are many others, just listing a few. I studied race. I did not fall for a politician's rhetoric.

I think, on the liberal side of the coin, those who have a lot of power in the West are still very paranoid after what happened in Germany all those years ago. Soros and the like have every right to be paranoid. Some of these guys experienced the camps first hand, believe it. They lost family. I do really want what they want, but I am very worried because I think the liberal agenda has been far too draconian, freedom of expression inhibiting, language altering, blatant psychological and social engineering to the point where the propaganda is so obvious, silly and unrealistic that it is alienating us all, from them and from each other. Perhaps that is the real agenda and they are just playing reverse psychology on us? If they really do want what I want I think they better look out for the backlash if they impose it so ridiculously and not let people walk the walk in their own time. Without us coming down hard on liberalism it would have been them raising something politically very scary from the abyss. The BDS came from the left. It was growing into a potential monster. Liberalism let in demons of many kinds to the potential detriment of people like even Mr Soros, eventually.

Be wise. Know your song well before you start singing, like Mr Dylan said.

This is who I believe about race:



Haile selassie Speech To United Nations

I would mention briefly today two particular issues which are of deep concern to all men: disarmament and the establishment of true equality among men. Disarmament has become the urgent imperative of our time. I do not say this because I equate the absence of arms to peace, or because I believe that bringing an end to the nuclear arms race automatically guarantees the peace, or because the elimination of nuclear warheads from the arsenals of the world will bring in its wake that change in attitude requisite to the peaceful settlement of disputes between nations. Disarmament is vital today, quite simply, because of the immense destructive capacity of which men dispose.

Ethiopia supports the atmospheric nuclear test ban treaty as a step towards this goal, even though only a partial step. Nations can still perfect weapons of mass destruction by underground testing. There is no guarantee against the sudden, unannounced resumption of testing in the atmosphere.

The real significance of the treaty is that it admits of a tacit stalemate between the nations which negotiated it, a stalemate which recognizes the blunt, unavoidable fact that none would emerge from the total destruction which would be the lot of all in a nuclear war, a stalemate which affords us and the United Nations a breathing space in which to act.

One Love!

Over and out, from Revolution9.

It's really too late now. Everyone knows about the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan, comments by people like Barbara Spectre in Sweden about multiculturalism, what Martin Schultz thinks is the real purpose of Germany. Many parts of Britain, the native population has literally found themselves at the end of the line when it comes to health service treatment (those requiring interpreters take priority over those that don't) and education, and has been forced to leave those areas in order to maintain their culture. Newspapers columnists have often written about how "horrendously white" other parts of the country are.

The far left deliberately do all they can to try and destroy conservative suburbs in cities in order to try and build up a voter base. They create a housing shortage by allowing townhouses to be converted into luxury flats for singles, and apartments into HMO's for students/single workers.

There are plenty of areas where there are empty homes, but those aren't the areas where there are clusters of tech jobs.

I'm a little more cynical than you I think. At least in the states, I think this is less about paranoia and more about power and money.

A lot of the people who started out in the fight for rights did so I think for the right reasons, but along they way, the got caught up in the enormous amounts of money and power they got. When the biggest battles were all fought and won, they faced a hard choice: fade back into obscurity and find a new source of income or keep finding ways to fight the fight and making it important.

I think they chose the latter, and I do think there are elements who thrive on what is going on because it gives them a climate that is profitable both in terms of money and power.

The world keeps changing as well. In the 1970's, the Far Eastern countries like Taiwan, Hong Kong and China were advancing in technology. They started with steel making, coal mining, moved into ship building, then electrical goods and then high-tech manufacturing. Then they move into financial services and other types of office work. Western countries had to give away those industries as they couldn't compete. So the UK and USA have to become "service industry" economies. Back then, the unions had all the power, they decided the policies of the Labour party through union bloc votes. Once manufacturing disappeared, they lost their power. Womens right were won. Equal opportunities commission sorted out discrimination for work place recruitment. So now they have to look for new battles to be fought; transgender rights, asylum seekers, illegal immigrants.

a reply to: ketsuko

A lot of the people who started out in the fight for rights did so I think for the right reasons, but along they way, the got caught up in the enormous amounts of money and power they got.

Some of us did not.
But that is generally correct.

a reply to: Gothmog

That's why I said "a lot" rather than all.

Money and power are very corrupting and hard to turn your back on, but some people can keep the proper perspective. And those are good people.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Gothmog

That's why I said "a lot" rather than all.

Money and power are very corrupting and hard to turn your back on, but some people can keep the proper perspective. And those are good people.

I left the Progressive Liberal movement behind as it no longer was about changing the world for the good . I am so glad I did as it turned out exactly as I had thought it would.
Peace

originally posted by: stormcell
It's really too late now. Everyone knows about the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan, comments by people like Barbara Spectre in Sweden about multiculturalism, what Martin Schultz thinks is the real purpose of Germany. Many parts of Britain, the native population has literally found themselves at the end of the line when it comes to health service treatment (those requiring interpreters take priority over those that don't) and education, and has been forced to leave those areas in order to maintain their culture. Newspapers columnists have often written about how "horrendously white" other parts of the country are.

The far left deliberately do all they can to try and destroy conservative suburbs in cities in order to try and build up a voter base. They create a housing shortage by allowing townhouses to be converted into luxury flats for singles, and apartments into HMO's for students/single workers.

There are plenty of areas where there are empty homes, but those aren't the areas where there are clusters of tech jobs.

You are quite correct. Trump is the reaction and nothing will be accomplished except to energize the leftist base. After Trump is done, its game over for those in the middle to right of the political spectrum. The backlash the OP speaks of wont be a alt-right backlash, it will be a fast and furious alt-left backlash against the remnant of the middle of the road white middle class they see as the Enemy No. 1 of the "people".

The new wave of MSM liberal positive discrimination initiatives, social engineering policies, even apparent in the state run BBC in the UK, are backfiring and segregating, hard lining, dividing, splintering Western societies. There appears to be a mass political backlash to these aggressive neo-liberal initiatives.

This is the expected outcome. They want this.

I think the liberals have behaved very Orwellian, like control freaks, when they did have the political advantage.

As a formerly more left leaning person I have gone hard Libertarian/ conservative now. I woke up to the sick liberal ideology during the 2016 election cycle.

Honestly I can't remember race being that big of an issue 2 years ago. I knew and got along with black people and no one was ever really talking about racism and I have Filipino, Assyrian, Black, Haitan, Native American, Naturalized Mexican's and white friends. No one ever talked about racial discrimination until last year. It wasn't an issue.

originally posted by: Revolution9
I recall recently the Guardian telling us that tolerance is not enough and they insist we do more than tolerate. Here we have clear evidence of liberal agenda and intent and it is the kind of politics that very much concerns me in terms of back lash and self harming.

It's not enough now to simply accept societal changes happen.

You have to actually support these changes.

In other words, it's thought police. You have to actually "think" a certain way now.

originally posted by: ketsuko

A lot of the people who started out in the fight for rights did so I think for the right reasons, but along they way, the got caught up in the enormous amounts of money and power they got. When the biggest battles were all fought and won, they faced a hard choice: fade back into obscurity and find a new source of income or keep finding ways to fight the fight and making it important.

A Lot of people? I am not sure of your numeracy! Most people did not get money or power. Many got beaten up by the state or the right. Most people got not money or power.

a reply to: Revolution9

The left went into terminal decline when the truth bout the soviet union became irrefutable. The left faced a stark choice either go back to the solutions of the classic authors or find new ideas that were more relevant to the post modern times. Most just went back to the "good old days".

The left did not anticipate the rise of identity politics which is the modern and dominant ideological force in the West. I see the left as exhausted and the right is similarly so.


The choices are simple. Is it good to have people starving in the street or not? Each must make that decision for themselves.

Im starting to feel that way, although there still are a few real battles remaining that are considered traditionally left: severe income inequality which most economists agree is very serious, and the need to end neo imperialism by the West, i.e. constant wars and an aggressive foreign policy. However, on a domestic front I am so over the identity politics garbage. a reply to: Gothmog

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Gothmog

That's why I said "a lot" rather than all.

Money and power are very corrupting and hard to turn your back on, but some people can keep the proper perspective. And those are good people.

I left the Progressive Liberal movement behind as it no longer was about changing the world for the good . I am so glad I did as it turned out exactly as I had thought it would.
Peace

Liberalism in and of itself is not bad as it does what it should in balancing out conservative impulses to resist all change.

The problem with liberalism is that lately it is trending toward change simply for the sake of it without wanting to stop and consider if change is needed or warranted. Not all conservative impulses are bad because simply because they resist change. Sometimes, the cautious approach is necessary.

Ideally, both work together by listening to each other and trying to really understand.

And on top of it all, we have a leadership that acts not at all for anyone's best interests, only their own.

a reply to: Revolution9

Good thinking. "Positive discrimination" or "positive racism" is the exact same as "negative racism", because both demand us to consider race before considering anything else.

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: Revolution9

Good thinking. "Positive discrimination" or "positive racism" is the exact same as "negative racism", because both demand us to consider race before considering anything else.

Race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc., etc., etc. ...

originally posted by: ketsuko

Good thinking. "Positive discrimination" or "positive racism" is the exact same as "negative racism", because both demand us to consider race before considering anything else.

Race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc., etc., etc. ...

So nice to live in a world which has progressed to accept that anyone and everyone

can be who they want to be equality LGBT etc....

However it has now become not enough to be accepted, you now have to love them

for it too!! or you are are accused of discriminating or racist or worse.