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Originally posted by soficrow
The link is to a Bush propaganda website called "Bush Country." FYI - the map is bogus.
I think Grady's trying to intimidate us - and tell us we're outnumbered.
Not.
.noticed you deleted your post Grady - - but I'll let my response stand.
Originally posted by Simulacra
I know Titorist are sitting on the edge of their seat with a big 'Told you so' on their face.
This should be interesting to see if these claims actually hold any legal merit in regards to the Patriot Act.
subz
Is there any mechanism in US law for the people to initiate an impeachment?
Originally posted by Red Golem
I do relise that these laws being passed are for challenging actions taken under the Patriot Act.
But I also must wonder what the people passing these laws will think when the next terror attack happens.
Also if the people to carried it out, were allowed to do so by way of the law which prevented the local authorities from investagating the people responcible.
If it happens like that, I hope they feel the pain they let happen.
Originally posted by Red Golem
ok so the fears of a terror attack are irrational fears. But just so I have a base to judge from about how many people must die in a terror attack before before it is not an irrational fear?
Originally posted by Jamuhn
Originally posted by Red Golem
ok so the fears of a terror attack are irrational fears. But just so I have a base to judge from about how many people must die in a terror attack before before it is not an irrational fear?
Terror attacks are random. In the US, around 3,000 people have died of a terror attack in about the last 10 years. That might be a rough figure. Compare this to heart attacks, AIDS, cancer, or anything else that causes death for that matter. Even compare this figure to the amount of people committing murder every year.
Now, do you think it is wise to commit the creation of MULTIPLE federal agencies, create multiple bills of legislation, start two wars, and spend most of our budget every year on something that has only caused 300 deaths a year on our soil?
A whopping 14,000 people die per year just from firearms. Shouldn't we combat what essentially amounts to domestic terrorism in the forms of gangs instead of committing 100 polic officers to following around Arabs with video cameras?
Yes, it is very irrational.
Originally posted by Jamuhn
A whopping 14,000 people die per year just from firearms. Shouldn't we combat what essentially amounts to domestic terrorism in the forms of gangs instead of committing 100 polic officers to following around Arabs with video cameras?
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Irrational thinking, Jamuhn. You should work on that.
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Disease and domestic crime, including DWI and the total of all automobile accidents are serious problems, but they are internal problems which we deal with the best we can.
International terrorism has one goal. Upset the economy and domestic tranquility to the point that our system will collapse.
Originally posted by Jamuhn
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Irrational thinking, Jamuhn. You should work on that.
Oh, and what do we have here? A petty ad hominem argument. The bulk and substance of the rest of your argument making at least one major assumption, 1) that you can predict the future.
Now tell me Grady, since Homeland Security will prevent so many terror attacks in the future, can you predict for me the lottery numbers for next Tuesday?
On the other hand I really would not want to see what they would do over the next 10 year with out the agencies and with out the billions of dollars. Might be more the 3800 people.
If we use the last 10 years as an indicator, about 3000 more people will die of terror attacks between 2005 and 2015 in the United States. Now, we have ten years to wait and see what the 3 separate agencies will do and the billions of dollars.
[edit on 10-2-2005 by Jamuhn]
Originally posted by soficrow
We are not in danger of future attacks from political terrorists - we already are under attack from corporate terrorists, on several fronts. That's the big secret - and it's why Americans are being manipulated to panic, and focus on off-shore boogeymen.
Originally posted by Majic
Originally posted by soficrow
We are not in danger of future attacks from political terrorists - we already are under attack from corporate terrorists, on several fronts. That's the big secret - and it's why Americans are being manipulated to panic, and focus on off-shore boogeymen.
Fortunately, there is no shortage of people selling domestic boogeymen.
Otherwise, we might be forced to make political decisions on the basis of reason instead of scare tactics.
Different brands of the same crap.