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White Supremacy is a big nothing burger

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posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 11:35 PM
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a reply to: Kali74



Mindfulness Meditation should be part of all tactics training lol.


I see. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to address you as "General Kali" going forward then.





posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 11:54 PM
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a reply to: imwilliam

I'm further Left and for a whole lot less laws than Progressives but I'm not insulted. No tyranny is justified and it's my opinion that's exactly what we're under right now.

While I agree that Trump legitimately won the Electoral vote, I also agree he lost the popular vote by a lot. That's just measuring voters... his approval rating is 36%. Most Americans are directly opposed to his agenda (they should have voted) and that's not sour grapes about losing, it's truly repugnant to people more on my side of the spectrum. So to me it feels like we're under the tyranny of a minority. That may not have been your point but I ran with it.



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 11:59 PM
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a reply to: imwilliam

Ha! No. Demonstrative groups tend to 'train'. MM is just a great way to calm quickly.



posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 12:05 AM
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a reply to: Kali74



While I agree that Trump legitimately won the Electoral vote, I also agree he lost the popular vote by a lot. That's just measuring voters... his approval rating is 36%. Most Americans are directly opposed to his agenda (they should have voted) and that's not sour grapes about losing, it's truly repugnant to people more on my side of the spectrum. So to me it feels like we're under the tyranny of a minority. That may not have been your point but I ran with it.


Alright, without conceding or arguing against anything you've written above. Isn't it our duty right now to push forward all the progress we can agree upon? Why aren't we, all of us that is, ringing out representatives phones off the hook right now in regards to the issue of whether companies can pay off employees student loans? I mean isn't that a no brainer? See to me that's a litmus test. If not for you, pick another one, if ends up sound I'll support it. But come on, lets get some work done.

Kali, you may not like it, I don't want to assign positions to you that you don't hold, but lots of good people are opposed to things like gay marriage, transgender in the military and abortion. Those of you on your side that demonize everyone that adopts those positions are radicals and the party, the democratic party, needs to distance themselves from them. Even if me and mine are "wrong" on these issues, the time simply hasn't come. Back off, those issues, at least where the "plight" of those groups is concerned right now, just isn't worth tearing the country apart.

You can argue that Trump wasn't a rational answer to the given situation. But the alternative was equally irrational to me and mine.

It's time to try and seek a common rational. We might have to leave a "complete" or "total" rationality to a later date.



posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 12:13 AM
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originally posted by: imwilliam
a reply to: bastion



It seems to be the most important question of our time that no one (myself included) really knows the answer to.


So maybe as a society we should embrace people that approach an answer to it in humility and shun those who arrogantly dictate an answer and require everyone to endorse it?


That's what I've found works myself - my bandmate and hosuemate is ex-EDL. I don't think 99% of people actually want war, but the poverty, unemployment, alienation, ignorance and anger has repeatedly been exploited by those with more sinister motives to force them into group theory where the lowest common denominator win (a person can be very clever, a people can be very stupid).

While I'm not prepared to be silenced in my voice opposing facism, I imvestigate subjects rigourously before speaking or acting publicly - I wasn't always this wau though - maybe it's the age old case of the more you know, the more you realise you don't know and being able to spot the elephant in the room of where division leads. I'm out to expose the leaders of these movements so people can read, learn and educate themselves on subjects.

When there were just two of us against 5000+ BNP at their conference, we handed out flyers exposing Tyndal, Griffin and Copelands Nazi pasts and terror campaign and most were horrified to see or hear the contrast between what they were told and what we were showing - they sent a few watchers, agent provocateurs, and general passers by to try and silence us but we wouldn't fall for violence, intimidation or attempts to provoke us into losing the ability to stay calm, collected and repaint the false picture many had of us (and us of them). That definitely works in the UK, though in the US it seems a lot harder to get anyone to listen/read what being provided to them.

Maybe it's educational, appreciation of history, or maybe it's because we're unfortunate to have lived through facism, communism and the like and have more of a general distain for all politicians than the footy like cheering and hooliganism of the US. Or maybe I'm just up my own arse.



posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 12:19 AM
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...they sent a few watchers, agent provocateurs, and general passers by to try and silence us but we wouldn't fall for violence, intimidation or attempts to provoke us into losing the ability to stay calm, collected and repaint the false picture many had of us (and us of them).


Is there enough involved in negating their attempts to "silence you" and avoid "falling for violence, intimidation or attempts to provoke you into losing the ability to stay calm" to fill a modest op? Is so, then why not author it? That would be a grand op and in the best traditions of ATS. Seems like you'd have experience and training that would benefit us all.

DO IT!



posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 12:24 AM
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Kali, you may not like it, I don't want to assign positions to you that you don't hold, but lots of good people are opposed to things like gay marriage, transgender in the military and abortion. Those of you on your side that demonize everyone that adopts those positions are radicals and the party, the democratic party, needs to distance themselves from them. Even if me and mine are "wrong" on these issues, the time simply hasn't come. Back off, those issues, at least where the "plight" of those groups is concerned right now, just isn't worth tearing the country apart.


I don't see how that can possibly happen. We're talking about how people live. Liberty. If you want to serve your country and you qualify physically and emotionally (I don't believe in separate tests for different groups) then you should be enlisted.

I don't like Neo-Nazi's, I don't like the things they do nor the words they say but if I value liberty, if I truly embrace the US Constitution then I have to be willing to say they have the right to live and speak as they choose.



posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 12:30 AM
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I don't see how that can possibly happen.


You and yours better figure it out, this country is founded on compromise. If your answer is to bludgeon everyone into accepting your sides positons, well, let me know how that works out.

Persuasion, Kali. And I don't mean "persuasion" in the sense that Don Corleone would have used it, I mean it in the best sense of the tradition.

We, all of us, need to drop bullying and uncircumspect manipulation and adopt persuasion.

It might all one day be your and yours' way, Kali, but not today



posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 12:33 AM
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Our Constitution is what made 4chan possible.
And it makes it fun.



posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 01:18 AM
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originally posted by: Kromlech

originally posted by: Dudemo5

originally posted by: Kromlech
ANTIFA/Liberals: "Uhhh, that redneck over there had a confederate flag 'n stuff. I'm about to beat every Trump voter in sight, and burn my city down!"


Can we get that on the pay per view?


Youtube is free?


I need professional coverage non-stop with mood lighting.



posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 01:22 AM
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originally posted by: imwilliam
a reply to: bastion



...they sent a few watchers, agent provocateurs, and general passers by to try and silence us but we wouldn't fall for violence, intimidation or attempts to provoke us into losing the ability to stay calm, collected and repaint the false picture many had of us (and us of them).


Is there enough involved in negating their attempts to "silence you" and avoid "falling for violence, intimidation or attempts to provoke you into losing the ability to stay calm" to fill a modest op? Is so, then why not author it? That would be a grand op and in the best traditions of ATS. Seems like you'd have experience and training that would benefit us all.

DO IT!



I've tried repeatedly but few seem prepared to listen. It's simply a case of having enough information, knowlege and emotional intelligence to be able to rationally counter argue each point until people either agree to disagree, get bored or realise what an idiot they're making of themselves that they pause for just enough of a second for a bit of common sense to slip inbetween the ears.

In terms of violence/intimidatoin, I guess the coup degrass was after Manchester EDL protests - had just arrived with a mate outside Manchester Victoria station after 10 hours infiltrating and counter demonstrating them the police dropped off two double decker busloads of them right infront of us. (they met at a bar called walkabout in Manchester and had planned an attack/ambush from wetherspoons while the peaceful counter protest (non violent, but very, very big speakers to play out music so no one heard their racist drivel). I'd recently been hit by a car and still had two slings on and a shattered clavicle - the train home was exclusively EDL apart from myelf and a mate.

When a table of three of them started an embarassingly bad attempt to subtly swap knives in order to stab us some five minutes later, in my loudest whisper I told my mate who's a foot taller and six stone heavier than me 'alright mate, you know those guys over there, two of them have been trying to give me evils all the way and something's about to kick off, but don't worry mate, I've got it all sorted and got your back covered. When they heard/saw a guy with one arm, half their size, unarmed and massively outnumbered (roughly 80 to 1) they all shat it and got off at the next stop (Wigan) as no one wants to be on the same train as the kind of mad man who'd welcome that kind of suicide mission

We alo did a lot of other things to infiltrate and take down the neo-nazi groups but best keeping that secret to avoid exposing any sources and ongoing operations to uncover their darkest elements.

Though people seem a lot less inclined to listen or read anything in the US. May be down to the old tradition of a good clean fight in the UK vs US unquestioning cheerleading for whatever your favourite colour is but no concept of the idea that lies behind it. Maybe they're too stupid to realise how stupid they look, or realise they've lost the 'argument'. There doesn't seem the appreciation for debate or sharing of ideals with a bit of respect probably because they never see any diplomacy from their government, it's all bomb this/coup that for the last two generations.
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posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 01:31 AM
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It's a good story Bation. We probably don't agree on everything, but I'd be proud to count you among my friends.


Cheers Bastion



posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 01:53 AM
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Feelings mutual, I don't want everyone to agree with me (that'd be boring, I prefer ideas contradictory to my ownotherwise how would I learn?) I want them to think for themselves.

Would be happy to buy you a pint after reading your wise words, violence should be used as a means of absolute last resort, if people aren't capable of realising actions have consequences, words are more powerful than weapons - airing their views publicly, going on protests etc.... is the last place they should be, they should be at home reading a book or in a library.



posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 02:19 AM
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The web sites off tonight.

So Short answer:

Only if you let me buy the second round.

Cheers Bastion



posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 02:19 AM
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my first double post
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posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 02:44 AM
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White supremacy is nothing more than a thought. You cannot outlaw thoughts.



posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 02:49 AM
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A Dark and Constant Rage: 25 Years of Right-Wing Terrorism in the United States

Just maybe, the government now keeps a close eye on right wing terrorism and Muslim terrorists and is the reason they rarely attack now.

Big Brother may suck but it is helping to curb extremists from both sides but who would have thunk it that idiots claiming to be part of the left would start up. ANTFIA idiots are not part of the left, we do not subscribe to violence and mayhem and if my side agrees with those tactics then it is time to leave the party. Those are right wing tactics and do not agree with them.
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posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 03:00 AM
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originally posted by: Kettu
So I guess this guy is a "nothing burger" as well?





McVeigh frequently quoted and alluded to the white supremacist novel The Turner Diaries; he claimed to appreciate its interest in firearms. Photocopies of pages sixty-one and sixty-two of The Turner Diaries were found in an envelope inside McVeigh's car.

Wikipedia

He killed over 168 people and injured over 600 more when he blew up the OKC Federal building.

I doubt the families of those victims would call white nationalism a "nothing burger".

Ahaa but you cheated, remember u not supposed to look things up according to the O.P , fight with one hand tied behind your back is the game being played, u are changing the rules.


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posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 03:07 AM
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originally posted by: TheTory
White supremacy is nothing more than a thought. You cannot outlaw thoughts.

Nazism is nothing more than a thought.



posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 03:28 AM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: TheTory
White supremacy is nothing more than a thought. You cannot outlaw thoughts.

Nazism is nothing more than a thought.


Do you think that Nazi thoughts should be outlawed? And if so, which thoughts? Many Nazi thoughts were very socialism in nature, I imagine those thoughts you don't believe should be outlawed? Should the racial/superiority thoughts be ridiculed and condemned, yes. Should they be illegal, I don't believe so. Thoughts and actions are very different, we've all had very bad thoughts, I don't think we all should be criminals though, unless we have acted on those bad thoughts in illegal ways.



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