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White Supremacy is a big nothing burger

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posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 10:06 PM
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originally posted by: Kromlech
ANTIFA/Liberals: "Uhhh, that redneck over there had a confederate flag 'n stuff. I'm about to beat every Trump voter in sight, and burn my city down!"


Can we get that on the pay per view?




posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 10:08 PM
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originally posted by: Dudemo5

originally posted by: Kromlech
ANTIFA/Liberals: "Uhhh, that redneck over there had a confederate flag 'n stuff. I'm about to beat every Trump voter in sight, and burn my city down!"


Can we get that on the pay per view?


Youtube is free?
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posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 10:08 PM
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originally posted by: Xianb

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: Xianb

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: Xianb

No but you're clearly guilty of it to everyone reading by not being aware of the thousands of white supremacist/neo-nazi terrorist attacks, 57 active terror cells in the world, the last 40 years of US white supremacist terror warning on domestic extremism terror level at present.

Please read up.



Only 57 Active Cells? Please. Thats a nothingburger. A Quick Google Search of *Active* Investigations reveal over 900 active ISIS related cases in the us alone. So tell me again who is the bigger threat?


A) You used google - I used my memory, many more exist. Google the recent declaration of war fropm russia,europe and us white supremacists 'called fourth reich/GRU plot.
B) The correct answer is both - don't cover up or justify terrorism - The US gov places both ISIS and Neo-Nazis in the same Cat 4 terror class.

There's no point dickwaving over who has caused the most dead bodies when both are terrorist groups.


Memory isnt real time. As my Memory remembered 1000 Active ISIS related cases looks like the FBI closed 100 of them since I looked last. Also you never named the specific cells. You just said 57 active cells. From which groups?


This is from a week or two ago - they're from all over europe, being trained in russia and in the US. Read the intel report from Feb. Or my thread on how the kremlin and russian generals have been doing it.

You never named any specific isis, islamic, identities etcc..... in your OP so don't try moving the goalposts now people have called you out for your bull#.
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posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: Xianb

Steve Bannon wants Breitbart News to be a "platform for the alt-right" (direct quote). Who are the alt-right? The self named, self proclaimed White Supremacist, White Nationalist, KKK, Neo-Nazi et al. coalition to mainstream white superiority and fight white genocide.

So he's a threat. Propaganda is how Nazi's won the hearts of young German men and began their rise to power.

ETA: You can try to trigger me with Hillary all day long. The only thing you'll have to show for it is that you're an either/or thinker. Which is...

Lazy.
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posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 10:19 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Xianb

Steve Bannon wants Breitbart News to be a "platform for the alt-right" (direct quote). Who are the alt-right? The self named, self proclaimed White Supremacist, White Nationalist, KKK, Neo-Nazi et al. coalition to mainstream white superiority and fight white genocide.

So he's a threat. Propaganda is how Nazi's won the hearts of young German men and began their rise to power.

ETA: You can try to trigger me with Hillary all day long. The only thing you'll have to show for it is that you're an either/or thinker. Which is...

Lazy.


That's only the tip of the iceberg sadly, Duke, Spencer, Bannon, Daily Stormer, all their-ilk were present at camps in russia anter russian generals and kremlin officials recruited tens of thousands of white supremacist MMA fighters and football hooligans to wage the upcoming war.

Agreed. The whole triggered thing only seems to be used by those incapable of the ability to accpet or understand there's extremists ina lot of groups and inteligent people don't have binary thinking.



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 10:22 PM
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a reply to: Kali74



Propaganda is how Nazi's won the hearts of young German men and began their rise to power.


But that propaganda was largely anti communist in nature. They actually fought with the communists in numerous street battles in Berlin. Exaggerating the "commie" threat was a big part of their "shtick" and was highly effective in recruitment. The NAZI part was even illegal for at time in Germany.

So, can you see why a student of history, one without any racist motives, might be concerned about the "Nazis" battling it out with ANTIFA in the streets of America today?

Can you see why a student of history might be reluctant to embrace ANTIFA, might consider those willing to minimize the threat posed by ANTIFA deluded, even in the face of, well, you know, the dreaded Nazi menace?

Hugs Kali, I pull for you even though you are, well, you know how you are.





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posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 10:30 PM
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a reply to: bastion

That Clarke guy with the cowboy hat and chest full of fake medals was in Russia last year -- right around the same time Flynn was too. I guess it the NRA was there doing an event.

I guess the NRA likes to throw parties in Russia...



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 10:30 PM
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a reply to: Xianb

Jesus there is just so much wrong here to try and decipher and then pick apart - particularly since you seem to assume to know what I ( or any liberal ) knows.

First off I can name a few dozen prominent white supremacists - or at least those who claim to be so when the mood suits them. In fact I follow them on social media just to help see how emboldened they happen to be on any given day. It's a great weather vane because their vacillations help me to predict and understand whatever it is they're about to be up to.

But I digress.

As for their acts of violence and planned act of violence on US soil, this is a fair cross section of events. - However this avenue of conversation is a red herring because pointing out the violence of one group, as you have so thoroughly done, in no way addressed, positively or negatively the acts of violence from another group. It's simply distraction.

As for DACA? comm iting crimes is a disqualifer from the program. Also you seem to be under the impression that DACA is Hispanic specific, when it is not. It applies to any and all undocumented immigrants.

You seem to be very well versed on MS 13 which leaves me to wonder if you're a member or if you just spend a LOT of time on YouTube watching Dinesh Disouza style propaganda.

We do agree on David Duke. He is a a racist ass. But he also has held public office and has recently run for office again - a fact which does make his vile opinions potentially dangerous to society.

However, with all that said, you miss the point entirely. You probably can't name a single ANTIFA or BLM member but I bet that your social media wall and ATS posting history is filled with the same sort of "facts" about them as you've just provided for MS 13.

You mentioned Dylan Roof. The truth is that the day before he walked into a Church and murdered completely innocent people nobody knew his name. Nobody could have jotted him down in your little gotcha thread here as a potential threat. And yet he happened.

He happened because he bought into a cancerous and hateful ideology - and THAT is the point.

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posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 10:32 PM
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a reply to: bastion

Thus my sig that covers both. There's only humanity. Everything good and bad that you can find in one group, you can find in any given other group.

ETA: Perhaps at least until you reach extremist levels.
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posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 10:34 PM
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a reply to: imwilliam

I truly appreciate that lol.

My point is... propaganda is dangerous.



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: Kali74


Cheers Kali




My point is... propaganda is dangerous.


It can be. But I'd like to think some of it backfires, I'd like to think most of the racist propaganda does. Sort of, "holy #, do I sound like that?" "Damn I got to work on that" sort of thing.

But I don't know that I'm right. Guess I just hope I am. And maybe I'm concerned that sometimes that reacting too strongly to extremists works to strengthen their position, has done so historically. Of course someone else could trot out examples of when the reaction wasn't strong enough and allowed some hateful ideology to flourish.

I'm certain about very little these days.



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: bastion

That Clarke guy with the cowboy hat and chest full of fake medals was in Russia last year -- right around the same time Flynn was too. I guess it the NRA was there doing an event.

I guess the NRA likes to throw parties in Russia...


Sounds interesting, will have a read up on that. UFC is being used as part of US recruitment it seems in Grozny, Chechnya and while there does seemsome evidence for it, much seems a bit over hyped to be written into copy yet but interesting video here youtu.be...


originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: imwilliam

I truly appreciate that lol.

My point is... propaganda is dangerous.


Never a truer word said. Though like Imwilliam suggests I've seen it backfire and eat up organisations on the left myself (go to meetings for debate/discussion but never 'signed up' to anything - the SWP rightfully collapsed over here after their radical 'police state, don't talk to them, ever' ended with the bullying of a rape victim and senior members trying to cover up the crime but ending up looking like 'slut shaming lad culture' which was the whole thing it was meant to stand against so thousands quit and protested against them in disgust - self indoctrination of a collective is far too easy a trap to fall into.and very often creates the opposite of intended aims.

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A woman has claimed she was subjected to a series of offensive questions about her sexual past and drinking habits after bringing an allegation of rape against a senior member of the Socialist Workers Party (SWP).

The UK's most prominent far left organisation is already facing a major showdown over previous handling of separate rape accusations against a senior party figure – identified by the party only as Comrade Delta. This weekend up to 500 members could quit the Marxist group over the alleged whitewash.
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www.theguardian.com...

Converted far more members of facist organisations away from them by exposing what goes on behind the propaganda and bull# as most are usually horrified when they see the true face of what they've been fighting for.
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posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 11:07 PM
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So I guess this guy is a "nothing burger" as well?





McVeigh frequently quoted and alluded to the white supremacist novel The Turner Diaries; he claimed to appreciate its interest in firearms. Photocopies of pages sixty-one and sixty-two of The Turner Diaries were found in an envelope inside McVeigh's car.

Wikipedia

He killed over 168 people and injured over 600 more when he blew up the OKC Federal building.

I doubt the families of those victims would call white nationalism a "nothing burger".
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posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 11:13 PM
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a reply to: imwilliam

Well one thing seems certain. It seemed like we were close to putting the ugly parts of our past to rest at one point. Now there's a lot of people/bots spending a lot of time stoking the hatred between Americans which only serves our enemies.



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 11:17 PM
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a reply to: Kettu


I don't see a problem with trying to quantify it, to try and put it in perspective, or to argue a relative threat level.

But, I think we all live in fear of someone that identifies as being from "our side" erroneously charactering something like this as a "nothing burger"


So when/how do we start addressing something more than the most repugnant and/or most poorly supported rationales of our relative positions?

Or don't we want to do that?



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 11:23 PM
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a reply to: imwilliam

It seems to be the most important question of our time that no one (myself included) really knows the answer to.



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 11:25 PM
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a reply to: Kali74



Well one thing seems certain. It seemed like we were close to putting the ugly parts of our past to rest at one point. . .


Maybe, but perhaps there was an over step. And what we see now is a corrective You and I would probably find ourselves in agreement on Racial issues, but maybe not much beyond that. Race isn't equivalent to every cause championed by, for lack of a better term; and I beg your indulgence and tolerance, progressives.

Protecting the rights of a minority doesn't justify a tyranny of the minority. The majority isn't required to "roll over" in order to appease the minority. It's about decency as far as I'm concerned. It's also about keeping the "divide" small/narrow enough that we can be effectively governed by the same government.

Much like moral relativists, at least the sane variety, there are limits. So to there are limits to diversity and divide among a people. Infinite diversity is a pipe dream and limited in it's pursuit to madmen.



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 11:28 PM
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It seems to be the most important question of our time that no one (myself included) really knows the answer to.


So maybe as a society we should embrace people that approach an answer to it in humility and shun those who arrogantly dictate an answer and require everyone to endorse it?



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 11:29 PM
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I wouldn't call white supremacy a "nothing burger", as it can lead to random acts of violence here and there (as any supremacy ideology can - Islamism, Black Power, La Raza). But as for white supremacy being a threat to the US or to our democracy, then I would agree, it is pretty much irrelevant. Any one who tries to compare modern day USA to Nazi Germany just makes themselves look like a damn fool.



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 11:31 PM
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a reply to: bastion

There's definitely bad guys and groups on the Left. I could agree with Anti-fa (and do with the non violent ones) if they would use their words and not their hands and there's ones that engage in propaganda. We implode a lot, I think we're more emotional but don't employ enough discipline on our emotive state. Mindfulness Meditation should be part of all tactics training lol.



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